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Thank you for the information Erica,
I will look the people up who have Gladys in there trees

Name: Isabella Brentley
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Darwen, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
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County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street address: 59 Lincoln Street Middlesbro
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough West
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 29264
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Brentley 35
Isabella Brentley 29
Gladys Brentley 2


Married 8 years - 4 children born, of whom only Gladys survived


Two GR members have Gladys in their trees - might be worth trying to make contact

HAWTHORNE, DORIS BRENTLEY - (MMN) MOODY Order
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 1062


Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
Brentley Henry Middlesbro' 9d 1031
Moody Isabella Middlesbro' 9d 1031

It looks like they did give Doris a second name of Brentley

She is listed as surname Hawthorne on the GRO listing

I noted the marriage and birth were very close in time

Wonder if in fact she was born prior to the marriage and her father is named but they gave her mums actual surmane at the time

One can only wonder what the thinking was at the time

Hi Shirley,
I have a copy of Doris’s birth certificate, it’s a bit confusing
It says she was born 27/09/1911
Name Doris Brentley
Fathers name William Riley Hawthorne
Mothers name Isabella Hawthorne late Brentley

It seems to say she gave her the middle name Brentley?

As for Isabella and William’s marriage it seems Doris was born around the same time

Her mother married a Brentley in 1902 then Hawthorne in 1911 the birth was the following quarter

She was reg as Hawthorne but maybe somewhere along the line she found her father was actually mr Brentley She used both surmanes as her maiden name on her children's birth registering

No birth for a Doris B Brentley, but there is one for a Doris B Hawthorne.
also a birth for a Doris Brentley in Durham.

that's defo John J fletcher, Shirley althou it's a bit messy it's got an M in the sex column

Not everyone shows on the l939 register - it depends on their age, I received this from FindmyPast this week - Liz


If we have received proof of death, a person under 100 years old will be open on the Register.

Took a look at the written register page and the writing is a bit flourished. Think that's a mistranscription and that's John not joan

Yes this is the family, Don’t know who Joan is though, there was a John

Just because it came up

1939 register

Fletcher Household (5 People)
124 Marshall Avenue , Middlesbrough C.B., Yorkshire (North Riding), England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
John Fletcher 29 Mar 1901 Roller Driver (Heavy Work
Doris Fletcher 27 Sep 1911 Unpaid Domestic Duties
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Sylvia Green (Fletcher) 30 May 1934 At School
Joan J Fletcher 15 Apr 1936 Under School Age
Ref: RG101/3233D/005/25 Letter Code:
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Possibly the closed record


Births Jun 1936
Fletcher John G Brentley Middlesbro 9d 900

The girls have mmn Hawthorne

Births Sep 1931
Fletcher Doris Hawthorne Middlesbro' 9d 820


Births Jun 1934
Fletcher Sylvia Hawthorne Middlesbro' 9d 844


And another daughter born 1941 mmn Brentley

Ah that's why i couldn't find the marrige

The birth of Edward is just as fletcher mmn brentley so no father will be on the cert unless she wrongly gave her husband as the father

Hi Shirley, found the marriage of Doris and John Fletcher,
1931 only she has her maiden name as Hawthorne, her mother was married twice, to a Bentley, who was her father and to a Hawthorne, don’t know why she changed from one to another.

I only sent for the certificate out of curiosity as my husband has only just found out about this birth.
I thought the birth records only ever showed the mothers name, or am I wrong?
Where did you search for the marriage?
Don’t think they will find the birth certificate as I said he was born in 1947, my fault I forgot about the 2 years either side lol
Thanks for the help and can I apologise to Malyon, I did put correct name but it changed spelling ??

Just a thought though not seeing a marriage for Doris to a mr fletcher ??

And the registration is only in the one surname

Well it won't tell you his new name I,m afraid

:-)

Thank you Mallon and Shirley,
I obviously haven’t looked at the date properly :-(
I’ll let you know what the certificate tells me, not a lot by the sounds of it lol

It was a different system in 1945 the small s against the page nos was a later way of showing adoption
It meant that the GRO would only issue a short version of the cert that doesn't show mothers details

You may find the one for Edward will have an annotation on it as adopted

Births Dec 1945 (>99%)
Fletcher Edward Brentley Middlesbro' 9d 675

no mention of him being adopted