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Bert Dorman
United States Census, 1900
Name Bert Dorman
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Kinsman Township, Trumbull, Ohio, United States
Gender Male
Age 37
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Years Married 1
Birth Date Apr 1863
Birthplace Ohio
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1899
Father's Birthplace New York
Mother's Birthplace Ohio
Bert Dorman Head M 37 Ohio
Sarah Dorman Wife F 30 Ohio
Emily Dorman Mother F 71 Ohio
Sarah Niece Aunt F 81 New York
Emily Dorman Daughter F 1 Ohio
Seth Dorman Nephew M 18 New York



Name Sarah Dorman
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place San Diego Ward 2, San Diego, California, United States
Gender Female
Age 41
Marital Status Widowed
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Birthplace Ohio
Father's Birthplace Ohio
Mother's Birthplace Ohio
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 24

Illustrated Police Budget 04 March 1899

re a boxing match in Glasgow , so if same Bert Dorman puts him in UK in 1899 ( edit and before that)

".... the Palace, and just before two o’clock Dobbs appeared on the scene, accompanied by Messrs. John B. Barnes, N. E. Barnes, Bert Dorman, Willie Dobbs, and J. Isaacs, ....."


George JOHNSON’S BENEFIT.
of Spitalfields, box Lew ten or twenty rounds, for from a side upwards, if any club will (Honolulu). Jimmy Achen, and Bert A. Dorman wish to return thanks to Mr. Kit Barrass. Mick Hales, Will Curley, Professor Lowry. Professor Bridges. Tom Courtney, Mick
15 April 1898 - Sporting Life - London, London, England

CROWTH ER-WALLACE FIGHT. I -I
FIGHT. Victor and Defeated Challenged. The Sportsman this morning says d'flt a tele- gram was received yesterday from Mr Bert Dorman, the backer of Larry Burns, of America, offering to back the latter against Wallace Crowther at 8t. 10!b. for £ 150 a side
31 March 1897 - South Wales Echo - Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales

I think he went back and forth quite a lot, going from dates on the US newspapers and English ones,

Name Bert A. Dorman
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Jan 1886
Event Place Richland, Ohio, United States
Spouse's Name Florence Taylor

State New York
First name(s) Bert A
Last name Dorman
Gender Male
Age 45
Birth year 1863
Marital status S
Occupation GENT
Departure year 1908
Departure day 10
Departure month 9
Departure port Queenstown (Ireland)
Destination port New York
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name Oceanic
Ship official number 110596
Ship master's first name H J
Ship master's last name HADDOCK
Shipping line WHITE STAR
City QUEENSTOWN
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 12863
Ship registered tonnage 6916
Number of passengers 200

Going TO the USA

this is so weird as the previuos posts suggest he emigrated from America which is what I was led to believe from my grandmother...however this census says 1901 bot the ship record of him emigrating from America says 1908 ???

The eldest son?

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Bert Dorman

In 1911, Daisy claims to have been married for 3 years.

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Name Bert A Dorman.......Married
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place St Anne Soho, London, Middlesex, England
County London, Middlesex
Civil Parish St Anne Soho
Ecclesiastical Parish St Anne'S
Sub-District St Anne Soho
Registration District Westminster
Residence Note Leicester Square
Gender Male
Age 36
Occupation HOTEL MANAGER
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Birth Year (Estimated) 1865
Birthplace America
Schedule Type 62
Page Number 15

DORMAN, JOHN GORDON PRICE Order
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 1201


DORMAN, FRANCES BEATRICE PRICE Order
GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in STAINES Volume 03A Page 13

EDIT No not this one Daisy Dolman here born Atcham ,It seems unlikely bit I'm just wondering about this marriage as I can't find them on 1911 census?

Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)

Dolman Daisy L Atcham 6a 871
Dolman Herbert F Atcham 6a 871
Dorman Daisy L Atcham 6a 871
Dorman Herbert F Atcham 6a 871
Dorman Herbert P Atcham 6a 871

Lots of entries in the Sporting Life, re boxing comps, there are also some in US papers which I don't have access to.

This places him in Walsall so may be relevant?


Walsall Advertiser 13 November 1909

Mr Bert Dorman officiated as referree and MC at boxing competition

March 7, 1907. Continental Notes. Writing from Aix-la-Chapelle, Germany, under the date March 4th, Mr. Bert A. Dorman says; There are several things which impress visitor after has been here three or four days. One is the remarkable number of students ...."

07 March 1907 - London and Provincial Entr'acte - London, London, England

Gosh it looks like he was married before he arrived in Uk
What does i am not related to you and i am not your husbands first wife mean ????

Not sure about the Bert A Dorman?

London and Provincial Entr'acte 25 March 1905

BERT A. DORMAN, THE AMERICAN MILLIONAIRE. Manager of the Cosmopolitan Sporting Club.
Dorman the Man who has about as much brains as an oyster ! Dorman would like to make the acquaintance of about a dozen young ladies with plenty of money and no home"

Obviously running boxing events and Vaudeville entertainments

There's an immigration record for Bert A Dorman.

Bert A. Dorman
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island)
Name Bert A. Dorman
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 16 Sep 1908
Event Place Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place East Hartford, America
Gender Male
Age 43
Marital Status Married
Nationality US Citizen
Birth Year 1865
Departure Port Queenstown
Ship Name Oceanic
Page Number 165
Affiliate Line Number 0015

Rose

Event date 1/18/1927
Record set Canada, Home Children Immigration Records Index, 1869-1930
First name(s) Bert
Sex Male
Last name Dorman
Year 1927
Ship name Marloch
State -
Country Canada
Age 16
Place British Immigration and Colonial Association, Montreal, Quebec
Record source Library and Archives Canada
Microfilm T-14848
Record type Passenger Lists


and this from the Home Children Records
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/search/Pages/ancestors-search.aspx

Item: Bert DORMAN (117613)
Given Name(s): Bert
Surname: DORMAN
Gender: M
Age: 16
Year of Arrival: 1927
Ship: MARLOCH
Date of Departure: 1927-01-07
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Date of Arrival: 1927-01-18
Port of Arrival: Saint John
Destination: British Immigration and Colonial Association, Montreal, Quebec
Children travelling together: J27JC
Comments: Group of boys
Type of Records: Passenger Lists
Page Number: 60
Volume Number: 1
Microfilm Reel Number: T-14848
Reference: RG 76 C1c
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Database Item Number: 117613

Hi !! He was originally from America i believe.....i bit of a drinker and a gambler lol !!
Thank you !!

I think it would be a good idea if you haven't got it to buy the birth cert for Frances, it may give a full name for Bert her father, he may have a middle initial that would be useful to know. I can find a Bert A Dorman, on 1901 census but he is a hotel manager from America??

First name(s) FRANCES B
Last name DORMAN
Birth year 1912
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name Price
District Staines
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 13
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England