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Looking for descendants of Lily Agnes Clelland (born Hammersmith 1909) and Bernard Keirnen. They married in the Hampstead area in 1934. I am waiting for the certificates and will re-post if these reveal additional information.

Martyn Yeo

There don't appear to be any Keirnen/ Clelland births in England and Wales after the marriage? Might they have emigrated?

Bernard and Lily are not showing on the 1939 Register.

In case you don't have this......

CLELLAND, LILY AGNES MACKENZIE MMN TWAITES
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 198

Lily Agnes Mackensie Clelland in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Lily Agnes Mackensie Clelland
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2 May 1909
Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1909
Baptism Place: St Matthew, West Kensington, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: Robert Albert Mackensie Clelland (Omnibus Conductor..170 Blythe Road)
Mother: Agnes Clelland


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13 Russell Road Leyton, Low Leyton, London & Essex, England

Robert Clelland Head Married Male Tramway Motor Man 45 1866 Bermondsey London
Agnes Clelland Wife Married Male - 47 1864 Homerton London
Lily Clelland Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Hammersworth London


Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
CLELLAND Robert A McK Hampstead 1a 1015
McKenzie-Clelland Robert Albert Hampstead 1a 1015
Twaites Agnes Hampstead 1a 1015


Robert Albert Mckenzie Clelland in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: Robert Albert Mckenzie Clelland (Widower) Conductor
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 41
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1865
Marriage Date: 7 Jan 1906
Marriage Place: St Mary, Kilburn, Camden, England
Father: Robert Albert Henry Clelland (Baker)
Spouse: Agnes Twaites (Spinster)
Souse's Father: John Twaite (Deceased) Carman
Witnesses: Thomas and Mary Elizabeth Butt
Register Type: Parish Register

Death of father

Deaths Sep 1916 (>99%)
Clelland Robert A M 50 W.Ham 4a 249

Just for ref, I think perhaps this is Agnes before marriage,

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First name(s) Agnes
Last name Thwaites
Relationship Servant
Marital status Single
Gender Female
Age 32
Birth year 1869
Occupation Chambermaid Domestic
Birth town Homerton
Birth town as transcribed HOMERTON
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed LONDON
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street Montague Street
Town -
Parish St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury
City -
Country England
County London, Middlesex
Municipal ward South Bloomsbury
Registration district St Giles
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 236
Folio 146
Page 47
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England

Thank you Nyx and PrickyHolly. It's descendants of this couple I am looking for, not ancestors. (What you have posted is accurate.)

I thought of emigration, Nyx, as here are precedents such as a Clelland half brother in Australia. I could not find any entries in the Migration collection on findmypast but I do think it's a real possibility. I would guess soon after 1934 as I can find no children and they appear to be absent from the 1939 Register.

I realise it's descendants Martyn, but sometimes it helps to work backwards to work forwards :-) Just in case the missing people can be found with parents or siblings etc.

There is a record for a Bernard Keirnen 1940 but it is just a name check so may well be someone different the page gives transfer info, and "Discharge age limit" , seems this Bernard might have been discharged 1942?

Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942

First name(s) Bernard
Last name Keirnan
Age -
Birth year -
Birth place -
Attestation year 1940
Service number 1723925
Former service number -
Record set Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

With Bernard (also in 1935 at Mazenod Ave, & 1937 at Cotleigh Road):


Lily Keirnen
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Lily Keirnen
Year: 1936
County or Borough: Camden
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hampstead
Street address: 22 Mazenod Avenue


Still with Bernard in 1938 :

Lily Keirnen
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Lily Keirnen
Year: 1938
County or Borough: Camden
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hampstead
Address: 6 Cotleigh Road

Not at Cotleigh Rd on 1939 ( Blatchford family at number 6)

The electoral register work is spot on, ArgyllGran - thank you.

Nyx - I wonder what the age limit for discharge was. It will be interesting to see how old he was when he married - I'll post that when the certificate arrives.

Just on an offchance they went to Scotland after 1938 and going on names. I realise they are all different areas, but might be worth a look once you have the cert?

death
KEIRNAN
BERNARD
41
1951
644/14 304
Partick

and a birth
KEIRNAN
BERNARD
M
1942
644/7 1977
College

KEIRNAN
AGNES
F
1938
685/3 13
Canongate

No idea if related:-

? birth unknown (also two Bernard Keirnen at the same cemetery):

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/98208610

Lillian Agnes Kiernan
Birth unknown
Death Feb 1974
Burial Holy Cross Cemetery North Arlington, Bergen County, New Jersey, USA

These burial transcriptions are very useful, Nyx and AustinQ, and I will look into them after I have seen the MC I am waiting for.

I am an experienced genealogist, having researched for more that thirty years, but this is my first venture into the message boards on these sites. I am impressed with the responses I have had, and am very grateful for them. I hope I shall be able to be of similar help to others in the future.

Can I alter the order so that the latest messages in the thread appear at the top? And do I have to tick Add to My Watched Threads every time I post a message?

Ah, I just click on the Post Date column heading

But I have to do it very time, grrr

No, you don't have to tick Add to my Watched Threads every time, Once per thread is enough.

Nyx- you were right- they did end up in Scotland at some point.

Looks like Lily remarried in 1947:

Marriage (Scotland's People:

LILIAN AGNES MA KEIRNEN (also under Clelland)
ALEXANDER MARSHALL

Year: 1947
Ref: 685/7 325
RD Name: Morningside

Her death (Confirmed by birth date):

Name: Lilian Agnes Marshall
Death Age: 95
Birth Date: 2 May 1909
Registration Date: Jul 2004
Registration district: Blackpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register Number: D17D
District and Subdistrict: 581/1D
Entry Number: 163

Lily's 1947 marriage cert will tell you if she was widowed or divorced from Bernard.