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4 Jul 2017 18:28 |
wow you guys are Amazing !! thank you so much , best wishes isabella susan (Donnelly)
you have given me heart to keep searching <3
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4 Jul 2017 17:40 |
Yes, the '(Sallie)' indicates her birth surname, and she is then referred to by that name because women in Quebec have always retained their birth names for some purposes and now do by law.
(She is entirely incorrectly called 'Mrs Sallie', but they do that a lot in Quebec and France where 'Mme' (Madame) is now just used as the equivalent of 'Monsieur', so they just incorrectly call all women 'Mrs' in English.)
(You can tell the obituary was written by a francophone employee of the funeral home: ' Also survived by HIS grandchildren'!)
The 1921 census for that family (to remind myself! - Tessie is the sister of Stella/Estella O'Dowd Donnelly)
Name: Jas Sallie Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 0 Birth Year: abt 1921 Birth Place: Scotland Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Thresa Sallie Father Birth Place: Scotland Mother Birth Place: Quebec Year of Immigration: 1906 Racial or Tribal Origin: French Province or Territory: Quebec District: Montreal (Laurier-Outremont) District Number: 175 Sub-district: Laurier Ward, Montreal (City) Sub-District Number: 1 City, Town or Village: Montreal Street or Township: 34 De Gaspe Occupation: Marble Cutter Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jas Sallie Thresa Sallie Katheline Sallie Jas Sallie Ruth Sallie Gerald Sallie Thresa Sallie Rita Sallie Annie Hovid
Unfortunately no ages are entered - it looks like ng, maybe 'not given'.
but Kathaline is shown as born in Scotland, so perhaps a daughter of the first marriage.
Annie Hovid is a sister-in-law, shown as single, and it actually seems to be HOWD, so I would guess that she is Helen Ann O'Dowd.
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ArgyllGran
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4 Jul 2017 16:34 |
This looks like (possibly) the obituary of Rita, Estella's niece, with names of her children and grand-children. EDIT: I'm not sure if it means Sallie was this lady's maiden surname, in which case she's probably the right person, or a middle name by which she was known, in which case she probably isn't.
You could try contacting the funeral directors. Although her funeral was in 2002, they may still have records of contact details for relatives.
https://tinyurl.com/y9f2hr2n
Also -
www.canada411.ca shows the address and phone number for a Michael Hurst in Laval - quite possibly this Rita's son.
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ArgyllGran
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4 Jul 2017 14:20 |
Other children of James & Teresa were:
James , baptised 1915 Mary baptised 1919 Elizabeth Ruth , baptised 1913 - she's the daughter who married an Aldrich:
Ruth E Aldrich in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997 Name: Ruth E Aldrich Social Security #: 554134678 Gender: Female Birth Date: 4 Sep 1912 Birth Place: Canada Death Date: 19 Oct 1976 Death Place: Fresno
Marriage of the son James:
James Sallie in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968 Name: James Sallie Spouse: Eva Mary Barry Event: Mariage (Marriage) Marriage Year: 1941 Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: St-Michel-Archange (rue St-Viateur)
Mrs J Sallie (presumably Eva) and Miss Teresa Sallie (presumably a daughter) were still living in Montreal in 1968, per ER. The daughter worked for IBM. EDIT: Well, maybe not - they could be Teresa and her daughter Teresa.
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ArgyllGran
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4 Jul 2017 14:16 |
This is the birth of a daughter of James Sallie and Ellen Trainor, his first wife, who must have died about the same time, if James and Teresa married in 1912. "Sponsors" were James Doherty and Mary Theresa O'Dowd.
Ellen Sallie in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968 Name: Ellen Sallie Event: Baptême (Baptism) Baptism Year: 1911 Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: Notre-Dame-du-Bon-Conseil
and the child's death:
Helen Sallie in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968 Name: Helen Sallie Event: Enterrement (Burial) Burial Year: 1911 Burial Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: Basilique Notre-Dame
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ArgyllGran
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4 Jul 2017 14:05 |
Teresa's daughter Rita was baptised 1921, but I won't post the full record in case she's still alive.
Middle names Ellen Erica (Ancestry's transcription says Erice, but I think it looks like Erica). Parents James Sallie, master-cutler (or maybe master cutter, as he was a mason) and Teresa O'Dowd. Godparents: Patrick McMollon [? his signature looks more like McMorarna] and his wife Ellen Gorey.
A son of Teresa & James - Patrick, - was buried in 1925. The record's too blurred to make out any more details:
Patrick Sallie in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968 Name: Patrick Sallie Event: Enterrement (Burial) Burial Year: 1925 Burial Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: Basilique Notre-Dame
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JoonieCloonie
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4 Jul 2017 04:04 |
The Teresa you identified on the voters list was a daughter.
In 1953 they were in Outremont (part of Montreal)
James retired Tessie Kathleen teacher Rita stenographer Teresa clerk
Their surname seems to get transcribed as SALLLE, and I can't figure out how they've transcribed Tessie ...
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JoonieCloonie
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4 Jul 2017 04:00 |
Teresa, now why didn't I think of that. :-D
Here we are:
Name: Janes Sally Spouse: Hansa Odowd Event: Mariage (Marriage) Marriage Year: 1912 Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: St-Michel-Archange (rue St-Viateur)
it definitely says Teresa O' Dowd, daugher of Joseph O'Dowd and the late Elizabeth Daly. James was the widower of Helen Traynor.
So we got somewhere after all!
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jul 2017 22:27 |
Looks like Annie O'Dowd's baptism:
Helen Ann Odowd in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968 Name: Helen Ann Odowd Event: Baptême (Baptism) Baptism Year: 1883 Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: St-Paul
Baptism 30th August 1883. Birth 28th august. Daughter of Joseph O'Dowd, cabinet maker, and Elizabeth B Daley. Godmother: Helen Mooney, wife of Daniel Errington. Godfather: Daniel Errington.
EDIT: Oops, I see you've already posted that, JC.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jul 2017 22:11 |
Ancestry suggests this is her below, but it may just be one of Ancestry's random guesses:
Theresa Sallie in the Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1963 Name: Theresa Sallie Gender: Female Nationality: Scotch Birth Date: 7 Mar 1885 Birth Place: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Departure Date: 12 Mar 1949 Departure Place: Windsor, Ontario, Canada Departure Contact: Daughter Kathleen Arrival Contact: Daughter Ruth Allkich [Aldrich, I think], 1567 Wishon, Fresno. Child: Kathleen Address: 721 Champagneur
Thresa Sallie in the 1921 Census of Canada Name: Thresa Sallie Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Place: Quebec Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's Name: Jas Sallie (Scottish) Father Birth Place: Quebec Mother Birth Place: Quebec Year of Immigration: 1906 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: Quebec District: Montreal (Laurier-Outremont) District Number: 175 Sub-district: Laurier Ward, Montreal (City) Sub-District Number: 1 City, Town or Village: Montreal Street or Township: 34 De Gaspe Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jas Sallie 0 Thresa Sallie Katheline Sallie Jas Sallie Ruth Sallie Gerald Sallie Thresa Sallie Rita Sallie Annie Hovid - sister-in-law (of James); name looks lik Howd - misinterpretation of O'Dowd ??
James Sallie in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: James Sallie Gender: Male Age: 25 Birth Year: abt 1881 Date of Arrival: 22 May 1906 Vessel: Sicilian Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland via Moville, Ireland He's a mason, unmarried. Travelling with Jas. Somerville, 24, stonecutter, single, from Lanarkshire.
Miss Theresa Sallie in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980 Name: Miss Theresa Sallie Gender: Female Occupation: Clark Year: 1949 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada Electoral District: Outremont-St-Jean Address: 721 Champagneur.
Living with Miss Kathleen Sallie, teacher; Mr Gerald Sallie, traveller; and Miss Rita Sallie, steno.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jul 2017 21:38 |
I think Lenie / Lessie in 1891 is Tessie, so probably Orasea in 1901 is Teresa.
Mary Theresa Odoud in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968 Name: Mary Theresa Odoud Event: Baptême (Baptism) Baptism Year: 1885 Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Religion: Church of England Place of Worship or Institution: Saint Anthony of Padua
The baptism took place on 8th March. The handwriting on the original is hard to decipher, but it does say that she was the daughter of Joseph O Dowd, carpenter, and Elizabeth Duley [ maybe mis-spelling of Dooley ? EDIT: No, I see Daley in JC's post above]. The godfather was Thomas Ryan, "the child's uncle". The godmother was Ellen Duley, wife of Thomas Ryan, "the child's aunt". "This act has been read to the father."
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JoonieCloonie
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2 Jul 2017 23:09 |
for info, this is likely Estella in the 1891 Canadian census
Name: Stella Odowd Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 2 Birth Year: abt 1889 Birthplace: Quebec Relation to Head-of-house: Daughter Religion: Roman Catholic French Canadian: No Father's name: Joseph Odowd Father's Birth Place: Quebec Mother's name: Lizzie Odowd Mother's Birth Place: Ireland Province: Quebec District Number: 172 District: Montréal Centre Subdistrict: Ste Marie Ward
Joseph Odowd 30 - carpenter Lizzie Odowd 27 Any Odowd 7 Lenie Odowd 6 (looks like Lessie) Stella Odowd 2
I think this Joseph in 1911 is a cabinetmaker so seems to be the same couple
Name: Joseph Odowd Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 48 Birth Date: Dec 1862 Birth Place: Quebec Relation to Head of House: Head Race or Tribe: Irish Province: Quebec District: Hochelaga District Number: 160 Sub-district: 14 - Montréal Sub-District Number: 14 Place of Habitation: 540a St Patrick
Joseph Odowd 48 Elisabeth Odowd 42
and in 1901 per Ancestry (correct info from image shown below)
Name: Joseph Ododd Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Age: 36 Birth Day & Month: 12 Dec Birth Year: 1864 Birthplace: Qc Relation to Head of House: Chef (Head) Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish Nationality: Canadien (Canadian) Religion: Roman Catholic Occupation: Charpentier Province: Quebec District: Montréal (city/cité) District Number: 175 Sub-district: Montréal (City/Cité) Saint-Antoine (Ward/Quartier) Sub-District Number: A-68
Joseph Ododd 36 Armey Ododd 17 - Anney - 28 Aug 18?? Irasea Ododd 14 - ? Orasea? - 7 Mar 1887 Stilla Ododd 10 - Stella - 7 Aug 1891
Name: Helen Ann Odowd Event: Baptême (Baptism) Baptism Year: 1883 Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: St-Paul father Joseph, cabinetmaker mother Elizabeth O'Daly
actually, Ancestry has it transcribed twice, and the correct parish is Sainte Anne.
Name: Joseph Odowd Spouse: Elizabeth Daly Event: Mariage (Marriage) Marriage Year: 1881 Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Religion: Church of England Place of Worship or Institution: Saint Patrick
Can't identify any other records for the two sisters, or any further record for Stella/Estella, so unfortunately that ends up not helping very much ...
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patchem
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29 Jun 2017 23:20 |
Have not managed to find another marriage for her, or any children - do you know of any?
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bellad
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29 Jun 2017 22:47 |
thank you all so much help, so very grateful, do add any more if you come across any more info, so grateful, kind regards
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patchem
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28 Jun 2017 21:45 |
Marriage (from Ancestry): Estella Odowd Spouse: Edward Clement Donnelly Event: Mariage (Marriage) Marriage Year: 1920 Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: St-Michel-Archange (rue St-Viateur)
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MargaretM
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28 Jun 2017 21:08 |
Edward Donnly in the 1921 Census of Canada Male Marital Status: Married Age: 31 Birth Year: abt 1890 Birth Place: Quebec Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Estelle Donnly Father Birth Place: Quebec Mother Birth Place: Quebec Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: Quebec District: Montreal (St Denis) Street or Township: 1742 St Hubet Quact Municipality: St Denis Occupation: Dealer Income: 900
Edward Donnly 31 Estelle Donnly 31
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27 Jun 2017 21:32 |
Just for ref
Edward Clement Donnely Canada Census, 1911 Name Edward Clement Donnely Event Type Census Event Date 1911 Event Place Montréal St. Antoine Sub-Districts 1-47, Quebec, Canada Gender Male Age (Estimated) 19 Marital Status Single Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Date Dec 1892 Birthplace Quebec
Hugh Donnely Chef M 57 Quebec Heline Donnely Wife F 57 Quebec Edward Clement Donnely Son M 19 Quebec Herold Donnely Son M 17 Quebec
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patchem
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27 Jun 2017 20:56 |
This is from Ancestry:
Edward Clement Donnelly Event: Enterrement (Burial) Burial Year: 1932 Burial Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec) Place of Worship or Institution: Basilique Notre-Dame
but I find the original difficult to read - looks like a Hugh Donnelly mentioned?
Edward Clement Donnelly Birth Date: 5 Dec 1892 Birth Place: Montreal, Quebec Relative: L H Donnelly Relationship of Relative: Father Regimental Number: 65274
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bellad
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27 Jun 2017 20:44 |
Quebec Montreal Canada descendants / relatives of Edward Clement Donnelly (deceased c.1932) fought in WW1 was injured and nursed in UK returned to Canada in 1919 married Estella O'Dowd c.1920 - would like to make contact with any relatives or descendants of either Edward or Estella. thank you
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