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Good luck with the meeting, Robert.
I hope it works out well for you.

Thank you all for giving your help and especially to Kay for telling me about the probate, because the address given on it is where Jennifer still lives and I have been talking to her today and we will be arranging to meet, probably in April
Thank you
Robert

Hi Robert,

A record may still exsist but it may not be where expected to be which would be in the area of your birth, but paperwork may have been passed on over the many intervening years as new departments grew.

From that time details were often scant.

It maybe worth applying to the social services in the area of your adoption to ask.

The court who granted the adoption will have an archived copy of your adoption ,order but they dont have the paprwork,,,,,,plus if an agency was involved they kept their own records.but may have passed on./

Another question. I was born in Jan. 1938 and adopted in Jan. 1939.
Can I find out where I was for that year?

I have now got the probate for George A Adamson and Kay and Jennifer are definitely sisters and are the only two children.
It also gives an address for Jennifer, which I shall write to.
Thank you for telling me about the probate.

AustinQ has mentioned Campbell Adamson.

He is very easy to find, with 2 marriages (showing on Ancestry), and on 192.com with children from (her first marriage?) and second wife. I do not think he is on facebook, but try and search for Sue Adamson from Birkenhead, and then see if you can check out possible relatives with those children's names.

I was 42 when I found out I was adopted (1980), applied for a full birth certificate and had to be counselled before they would issue it. The counsellor I saw said she would endeavour to find my mother but of course so could I, but if I did before her, the best way was to let her make the contact. I found when she got married to George Adamson and found her current address and phone number at that time.
Gave the info to the counsellor, she then came back to me to say she had spoken to Margaret by phone and was certain that I had found the right person but Margaret denied it and said that I should forget about it.
I could appreciate what a problem this could be for her and I did not want to cause family problems, so I just stopped.
Two or three years later I was over Epsom way and called into the counsel offices and asked if they could help. The lady came out with a big book and started looking and then said one of the two sisters had worked there, so I have always assumed Kay and Jennifer were females (it was the details on the forms here that caused the confusion).
I never bothered to look again until I started this search. I am 79 now and thought it would be nice to make contact and it shouldn't be too upsetting for those sisters now considering their age.
Thank you all for your help
I'll have to consider about the probates.

ADAMSON GEORGE ALFRED 26 August 1998 9852012795 19 February 1998 Grant and will Newcastle Upon Tyne.born 1910.

Jennifer shows two membership numbers...an early and later one.

Have you discounted Campbell Adamson 1959 Wirral as a possible relative?

- and the Jennifer Adamson/ Merry marriage in Cheshire? (Possibly now living Devon)

If you really want to pursue all leads to try to find these people, I'm afraid you are going to have to spend some money, Robert, on probates/ wills / BMDs, although it's a gamble.


Ancestry shows two Whittaker/Adamson births, one in Nuneaton in 1970, (who may also have married in Nuneaton in 1990) and one in Chiltern & Beaconsfield reg district, Bucks, in 1975.

The only way to know if either of them is a child of Jennifer would be to buy the certificates. I haven't found anything helpful about them on 192.com.

And the only way to know if the Kay Adamson marriages are relevant to your search is, as already suggested, to buy the marriage certs - another gamble.
The mention of Kay as male on the GR transcriptions is only that, a transcription, and probably a mistranscription. As has been said, the original index doesn't state male or female. Allan Arnaud can't possibly be female.

It depends how desperate you are to find these people.

But if they have opted out of the public ER, or have gone to live abroad, I fear we'll never find them from what's available to us online.

Don't give up hope yet re the message you sent to Jennifer Whittaker / Adamson. Sometimes it takes people ages to reply, for all sorts of reasons.
Admittedly, sometimes they just don't reply at all.

There is also probate- grant and will- for George Alfred Adamson in 1998, if this is the correct George?

The will may name children in married names and possible grandchildren etc etc for confirmation and further information.

The Eastcote Rd address was wrong, when searching I did not put her d.o.b. in. The people there are only in their 30's.
The Jennifer Adamson/Whittaker that 'patchem' suggested has not replied to my question.
The only information I am sure of is that Kay E Adamson, born 1948 and Jennifer A Adamson, born 1950 are the children of George and Margaret K Mcpherson Adamson (nee Archibald). Margaret died in 1991 and George in 1998.
Jennifer A Adamson married Andrew J Whittaker in 1970.
I am sure we share the same mother.
I have no idea if the marriages of Kay are applicable to the Kay I am looking for.
.I cannot find a joint address for the Whittakers on the electoral roll.
I cannot find if there were any children born to them in the first 6 years of their marriage (that is if the marriage continued) because no Whittakers born in that period have a mothers maiden name of Adamson listed on the records available here, half of them seem to list the maiden name as Whittaker, so I assume they are not too accurate.
I have not paid to look at the probate/will of Margaret as I don't know how that could lead me to knowing where they are now.
I feel lost and don't know what to do next.

At the beginning of this week I used the electoral roll on this site to try and find Jennifer (d.o.b. 1950) and Andrew Whittaker. None that I saw listed both people.
I made a list of Jennifer addresses and a list of Andrew's and found the same address for each of them in Eastcote Rd., Liverpool.
Looking today, I cannot find that address nor several of the others.
Any idea why?

If you were to look at an actual image on the GRO index, there is no indication of the gender.
The transcriptions which assign one are making assumptions.

Just think of the first name of Paris. In 'Romeo and Juliet', Paris is male.
Paris Hilton, the American heiress, is definately female.

As for your 'Kay'

Origin of the name Kay: As a female name, Kay originated as a pet form of any of the various names beginning with the letter K. It is now commonly bestowed as an independent given name. As a male name, its root is found in the Latin gai (rejoiced).

www.babynamewizard.com/baby-name/girl/kay

Adamson, Margaret Kay Mcpherson, of 6 Oatlands Drive, Weybridge Surrey, died 4 June 1991. Probate Newcastle-upon-Tyne 24 July . . . . . .
9152001601A

http://tinyurl.com/hljot27
probatesearch.service.gov.uk
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Support/Help

I have sent a message to the Jennifer Adamson that 'patchem' suggested.
The actual sex of Kay E Adamson is unknown to me, but the one born in 1948 to George and Margaret Kay McPherson Adamson (nee Archibald) is shown in the records on this site to be male. The Kay E Adamson who married in 1978 to Vivian G Waugh is listed as male and Vivian as female. The Kay E Adamson who married Allan G Arnaud in 1998 are both listed as males. I also found a Vivian G Waugh who married in 1992 to a Miss Egleton, both listed as females. Whether they are the same people or not, I have no idea.
I think I am related to them as my original birth certificate shows the same mother.
I was born in 1938.
How do you find the probate records?

Robert -
have you tried to contact Jennifer Whittaker on this site, as suggested earlier by Patchem (26th Jan @ 19:28) ?

Go to "Search" at the top right of this page, then "Search all member trees".
Search for Jennifer Adamson, YOB 1950.
One of the results is for a Jennifer Adamson born in London.
Click on "Find out more", and send a message to Jennifer Whittaker.

If this is their Mother's death:

Margaret Kay M Adamson
BIRTH: 4 Sep 1911
DEATH: Jun 1991 - Surrey Northern, Surrey, England

then there is probate in 1991.

Investigate that and death certificate for more information.

Have you looked for children of Jennifer and Andrew, and then looked for them on 192.com?

You have not said how you are related to the family.

Do you know when/if the parents (of Kay and Jennifer) died, and looked for any wills for them?

Robert,

How can a Kay E Adamson (male) marry Allan Arnaud (male) in 1998?

Where is she listed as male?

Surely Kay is female?

Get the birth certificate if you are unsure.