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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP.
WE HAVE FOUND OUR MISSING RELATIVE

At least until 2002, Jacqueline was living in Deadwood, North Dakota.

Will PM address.

PM from Joanne:

"Michael J Francis was born 1936 and died 2009
Think he died in Northamptonshire not sure cause of death"



Funeral notice for Michael:

FRANCIS The Funeral Service for the late Mr Michael John Francis will be held on Thursday 19th November 2009, 11.00am at The Church of St Francis, Duston, followed by Interment in Dallington Cemetery. No flowers by request. Donations if desired for Cynthia Spencer Hospice may be sent to B. Hollowell & Son Funeral Directors, 148 Beech Avenue, Northampton. NN3 2JN Tel (01604) 79 22 22

Yes that's the next step
Hoping a new address if known

Have you tried to contact John at the address he was at in 2013?

(Find it on searchelectoralroll if you don't have it.)

Even if he's not there any longer, the current resident may know if he died or where he moved to.

John was born in 1944 so I assume Michael was born Mid 1960s to 1970

Appears we had wrong surname it is Whitham

SO Mabel Yates (nee Francis) married Henry (Harry) Whitham they had son John who married but had no children. Living relatives of Michael and Jacqueline who are main ones I am trying to locate.
Finally we have made progress it appears they were born to John Francis who was born 1912 married Ivy Smith who was born in 1905. The married in 1935.
They had 2 children Michael Francis born 1935 got married 1957 but no marriage details yet believe he died in Northampton Nov 5th 2009 but can not find any death details/records yet
Jacqueline Francis was born 1937 married (we think) Stanley Sorkness in 1955

great thanks will look into :-0

Did Mabel have siblings John and Maud?

The surname must be Whitham, not Whitman.

Marriages Mar 1944
WHITHAM Henry E Yates Northampton 3b 100 Scan available - click to
YATES Mabel E Whitham Northampton 3b 100

But Mabel had been married before:

Marriages Mar 1940
Francis Mabel E Yates Northampton 3b 240
Yates Ernest S Francis Northampton 3b 240

Births Mar 1917
Francis Mabel E Dunmore Northampton 3b 100

They had one son called John but he didn't marry an Ivy, he married a Diane. Not seeing any children for them.

Diane married again a few years later.

Rose

My PM to Joanne:


We seem to have been barking up the wrong tree with our guesses re Harry & Mabel, and John & Ivy.

Please can you tell us what part of the UK any of them lived in?
How old was Michael when he died? Did he die in the UK?

Could John or Ivy be middle names, perhaps? We can't seem to find any John Whitman marrying an Ivy, other than the one already posted on your thread.

Please reply on your thread so that all the helpers can see any added information, and not directly to me.

Thanks!



And her PM reply -

I thought the same its like they don't exist


So, Joanne -
do you know anything else at all about these people? Any little clue might help.
How old was Michael when he died, and where did he die, please?

While casting around for any record which might be relevant, I came across this marriage.
Mistake on the GRO index ??

Marriages Sep 1959 (>99%)
WALKER John W WHITMAN Surrey Mid.E. 5g 366
WHITMAN Jack T WALKER Surrey Mid.E. 5g 366

EDIT:

However, only one Whitman / Walker birth in the same district in 1962 - but not either Michael or Jacqueline, so presumably not Joanne's John / Jack, unfortunately.



Births Mar 1933 (>99%)
Whitman Jack T Carter Kingston 2a 697


Jack Thomas Whitman
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Jack Thomas Whitman
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1933
Date of Registration: Apr 1997
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Mid Surrey
Inferred County: Surrey
Register Number: MSA2
District and Subdistrict: 7561A
Entry Number: 26

Joanne -

Please can you tell us roughly what part of the UK any of them lived in?

How old was Michael when he died? and did he die in the UK ?

think that's abit too early think Ivy would have been born around 1935 onwards thank you anyway

this is the only birth for a ivy e bransom I can find

Births Jun 1904   (>99%)
Bransom
 Ivy Eileen
 
 Hendon
 3a
315

But no John to that marriage !!

So the info given in the enquiry doesn't tie up with England/Wales records I,m afraid

Info doesn't stack up so going off track a bit could this be Harry??

1939 register
Whitman Household (2 People)
Cansbrook Eastfield Avenue , Watford M.B., Hertfordshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Harry Whitman 01 Sep 1913 Paper Bag Factory Printing Machine Minder
Hilda T Whitman 20 Aug 1910 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Ref: RG101/1643K/018/41 Letter Code:
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First name(s) HARRY
Last name WHITMAN
Gender Male
Birth day 1
Birth month 9
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1982
District ENFIELD
County Middlesex
Volume 12
Page 0456
Country England


Marriages Sep 1937
Cutler Hilda F Whitman Watford 3a 4323
Whitman Harry Cutler Watford 3a 4323

As Joanne is a new poster, PM sent asking her to read the posts, and to reply on the thread.

Joanne has a Harry born 1913 in her tree so that John would be too early. No sign on a marriage for a Harry to a Mabel though.

Rose

Perhaps Michael and Jacqueline were adopted by John & Ivy ??

Would the births have happened in England, Wales or somewhere else?

Can anyone find Ivy's second marriage? The 1939 register entry indicates that she used the surname TODD by 20 Apr 1953

Unless Michael and Jacqueline had different names at birth, might they be the children of the second partnership/marriage rather than the first?