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brummie46

brummie46 Report 4 Jun 2016 10:46

On furthering my husbands tree line we know that his grandmother was Florence.J.S Jones who had a sister named Nellie (possibly another Christian name) but on 1901 census have found a Emily. and shows that they have half brother and sister of Nora 1899 and James 1901 (young). My husbands recalls Nora and knew that his grandmothers half sister was Nora and Nell was his grandmothers actual sister, would be very interested to find his so called cousins decendant from Nora and James. Not 100% sure but Nora wed into name of Pallett and James into Marvin. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.
many thanks

Gee

Gee Report 4 Jun 2016 11:14

You don't give an area to work with. Is this the family?


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
68, Gilbert Road, Smethwick (Staffordshire), Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England


Samuel Young Head Married Male 31 1870 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Emily Young Wife Married Female 31 1870 Bricklayers Labourer Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Florence Jones Step Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Emily Jones Step Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Nora Young Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
James Young Daughter Single Male 0 1901 - Smethwick, Staffordshire, England


brummie46

brummie46 Report 4 Jun 2016 11:19

sorry Gins yes forgot to state area, but yes this is the correct family you have found.

Gee

Gee Report 4 Jun 2016 11:23

So is it Nora and James Young that you are tracing forward?

This looks like James in 1939


Household (2 People)
6 Loveday Street South , West Bromwich C.B., Staffordshire, England

James Young 21 Jan 1901 Male Labourer Despatch Room Make Seale Married 130 1
Annie E Young 10 Sep 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 130 2

Added: Not sure about the above as the marriage below appears to be the same couple?

Marriages Sep 1938

Stokes Annie E Young W.Bromwich 6b 2092
Young James Stokes W.Bromwich 6b 2092



brummie46

brummie46 Report 4 Jun 2016 11:27

yes descendants of Nora and James.
what you have found on James seems no children with them.

Gee

Gee Report 4 Jun 2016 11:30

There is a closed record on the 1939 Register and several births using the W Brom area and mother maiden name

This could be the boy for the closed record


Births
Young James R W.Bromwich 6b 1038 (edited as he may be living)


ANNIE ELIZABETH

Last name YOUNG

Gender Female

Birth day 10

Birth month 9

Birth year 1904

Death quarter 3

Death year 1973

District WELLINGTON (SHROPSHIRE)

County Shropshire

Volume9A
Page537
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007


brummie46

brummie46 Report 4 Jun 2016 19:40

thanks for what you have forwarded on Gins. much appreciated

brummie46

brummie46 Report 6 Jun 2016 09:27

still looking for info on NOras children/grandchildren if any. Not to sure if she wed into the name of Pallett.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Jun 2016 10:34

Possible marriage:

First name(s) NORAH L
Last name YOUNG
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1919
Registration month -
Spouse's name HAROLD H PALLETT
District KINGS NORTON
County Worcestershire
Country England
Volume 6D Page 202
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Possible death:

First name(s) NORA LOUISE
Last name PALLETT
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 8
Birth year 1900
Death quarter 3
Death year 1973
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Volume 9C Page 476

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Jun 2016 10:36

possibly them- I don't have access, but perhaps someone will post details?

1939 register:

Pallett Household Smethwick C.B., Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Harold H Pallett 1893
Nora N Pallett 1900
and 3 more people are on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Jun 2016 10:50

If it is the correct Nora they lived for many years at 16 Whitmore Street, Ladywood, Birmingham. (listed at this address 1945- 1965)

In the electoral registers there is also a Lilian J Ward living with them, and later (From 1950-1955) a Ronald F Pallett

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Jun 2016 11:44

A tree on Ancestry follows the young family and Nora- perhaps your tree?

HOOD FAMILY TREE- owner Brendroyle

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Jun 2016 12:29

Just looking at James- the tree on Ancestry has him listed as James Lawrence Young- married to Lavinia Marvin.

I don't see this couple on the 1939 register and wonder if James and Lavinia split.

There is this later marriage:

Name: James L Young
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1939
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Spouse: Cicely M Morgan
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 1456
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1939 register:

Young Household Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
James L Young 1900
Cicely M M Young is also on this record
----------------------------------------------

Note they were living together before their marriage and both appear with surname young on the 1935 electoral register at 36 Ladywood Road

brummie46

brummie46 Report 6 Jun 2016 20:11

AustinQ thank you for the information its much appreciated. I know from previous researches that the 1st born son usually carried their mothers maiden name as their second name. I know that Nora's mothers maiden name was Lawrence and seems that James has this as his middle name. I will search to see if he had any children with either of the women he was with. Although I wasn't 100% sure on my research but I myself found a birth of a number of children for Nora and one was a Ronald so will research further on that line. One again many thanks

Gee

Gee Report 7 Jun 2016 08:06

Just posting the full details for 1939

Pallett Household (5 People)
151 Middlemore Road , Smethwick C.B., Staffordshire, England

Harold H Pallett 22 Jul 1893 Male Foundry Labourer Heavy Worker Married 24 1
Nora N Pallett 16 Aug 1900 Female Non Ferrous Tube Drawers Heavy Worker Married 24 2
Ronald F Pallett 06 Sep 1921 Male Steel Tube Drawers Furnace Trade Auto? Single 24 3
Albert E Pallett 28 Feb 1926 Male At School Single 24 5
John (J) Ryder 27 Mar 1910 Male Iron Moulder Single 24 7

2 records closed



Young Household (2 People)
36 Ladywood Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

James L Young 23 Nov 1900 Male Tinner Motor Driver Married 102 1
Cicely M M Young 15 Nov 1914 Female Assemble Driller Large Double Action Power Press ? Married 102 2


brummie46

brummie46 Report 7 Jun 2016 11:01

thanks GIns, I actually know MIddlemore rd.

brummie46

brummie46 Report 11 Jun 2016 10:37

this thread also linked to 11th June 1891/1911 census look up for JOnes.
Jones and Young family connected.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jun 2016 17:47

Link to Brummie46's other thread, for history of this family.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1360336

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jun 2016 17:53

Here's Lavinia's second marriage:

Marriages Mar 1938 (>99%)
Bentley William H Young Smethwick 6b 1246
Bentley William H Marvin Smethwick 6b 1246
Marvin Lavinia Bentley Smethwick 6b 1246
Young Lavinia Bentley Smethwick 6b 1246

brummie46

brummie46 Report 12 Jun 2016 11:39

Update - Have the info now on Nora to whom she married and her children. But still to clarify on James.L.Young to see if he had any children. etc.