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A possible for your Grandfather......

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Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Long William Riley W.Ham 4a 390


Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
LONG William W. Ham 4a 170
Riley Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 170

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W Long in the 1911 England Census
Name: W Long
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 28 Clarkson St, Canning Town E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: seaman Merchants service
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town

Household Members:

W Long 27
M Long 26
Ellen Long 3
Elizabeth Long 1

Married 5 years.....2 children born and living.


Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Long Stephen T Riley W.Ham 4a 417


2 possilbles for the parents of Lilian...

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Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
Benmore Charles Mile End 1c 633
Bishop Ellen Mile End 1c 633


Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Benmore James Poplar 1c 885
Bishop Mary Ann Poplar 1c 885

(Both families were in West Ham, Essex in 1911)


London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name James Benmore (Bachelor) Lighterman.....
Estimated Birth Year abt 1868
Age 24
Spouse: Mary Ann Bishop (Spinster) 174 Leven Road
Spouse Age 19
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Jul 1892
Parish All Hallows, Poplar
Borough Tower Hamlets
Father Name William Benmore (Barge Builder)
Spouse Father Augustus Charles Bishop (Gas Stoker)
Register Type Parish Register
Witnesses: Charles Benmore and Lucy Bishop


Charles Banman in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

(Charles Banmore on the image)

Name: Charles Banman (Bachelor) Fireman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Age: 25
Spouse: Ellen Bishop (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date:
5 Jan 1891
Parish: St Paul, Bow Common
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Banman (Barge Builder)
Spouse Father: Augustus Charles Bishop (Labourer)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Augustus Charles Bishop and Maryann Bishop

So two brothers marrying two sisters.


Ellen Benmore in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ellen Benmore
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Poplar, London, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 66 Baron Road, Canning Town E
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: West Ham

Household Members:

Ellen Benmore 41
Ellen Benmore 19
Alfred Benmore 13
Selina Ann Benmore 11
Florence May Benmore 9
Mary Ann Benmore 8
Lucy Benmore 5
Rosey Benmore 3
Charles Benmore 3

(Married 9 years....9 children born, 8 living, 1 had died)

Charles was written on the form but then crossed out as he is a Fireman away at Sea. Also a son Charles between Ellen and Alfred has been crossed out so he was probably the child who died.


Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
Benmore Charles 6 Poplar 1c 342


Mary Benmore in the 1911 England Census
Name:
Mary Benmore
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Poplar, Middlesex
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: No 1 Oak Rd, Canning Town
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: West Ham

Household Members:

Mary Benmore 38
P May Benmore 18 (Polly on the image)
Elizabeth Benmore 11
James Benmore 9
Alice Benmore 7
Ellen Benmore 4

(Married 19 years.....6 children born, 5 living, 1 had died)


You will be able to ask your Dad now about his Grandparents. :-)

Good luck. x

Brilliant. Fingers crossed that it all works out well. If it doesn't, at least you'll have some 'answers'. <3

That's wonderful .i hope you get to meet him and it's a happy reunion

:-)

a quick update i have found my cousin on fb and have found my dad is still alive thank you all for the information i couldnt of done it without you all <3 <3 <3 <3 :-D

thank you all so so much im so close now to finding him hopefully xx

One of Sheila's children has a tree on here

Try making contact through the message system

I sent you Sheila's marrige detail so you will know the surname

It looks like his wife also has a tree on here too


Edt found them too on the electoral roll and have PM,d the info

One of Williams siblings was born in 1945. She is a Sheila

Found her marriage and she is on the electoral rolls to 2014

Will PM you the info

Maybe she will help you with info of your dad

Well done Rose for finding the 1939. Unless they moved overseas, it does suggest William and his next 2 siblings were alive in 1991.

Have PMd a possible birth...

hi i know my nan lilian and william long lived in canning town and got married in 1934 the year before my dad was born i keep on seeing the name collins too so she would of remarried very late on im not coming up with any tree matches which is frustrating but on the other hand have never got this far i have spent hundreds over the years and always hit a brick wall thank you all for your help <3

Bear with me, I think it's possible Lillian G remarried?

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) LILIAN G
Last name LONG
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1977
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LILIAN G LONG married
WILLIAM A COLLINS
Spouse's last name COLLINS
District BARKING
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 11
Page 0081
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces




which would then tie in this death for Lilian with the same DOB as on the 1939?

First name(s) LILIAN GLADYS
Last name COLLINS
Gender Female
Birth day 24
Birth month 3
Birth year 1915
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1985
District BARKING & DAGENHAM
Register number 185
County Essex
Volume 11
Page 12
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

If the 1939 entry is the right one

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name LONG
Gender Male
Birth day 16
Birth month 1
Birth year 1915
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1985
District HAVERING
Register number 1285
County Essex
Volume 13
Page 359
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

I think this might be William and Lilian 1939? the 'S' looks like a G to me , comparing it with other 'S's...

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Long Household (5 People)
50 Gray Street , West Ham C.B., Essex, England

William Long 16 Jan 1915 Mercantile Marine Refrigerator R M S Rinitakes 11th R 161693
Lillian S Long 24 Mar 1915 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

hi thank you so much for your help you have found a lot more than me and i have been searching for years my dad knows about me he left when i was one year old i have hes birth certificate and that is hes mum /my nan lilian so my grandads name was william long too i have been trying to trace a death certificate for my nan so could see who registered her death i really diddnt realise i had auntys and uncles you have made my day xx

In case it helps along the way, this is probably his mother's birth.

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Benmore Lilian G (mmn) Bishop W.Ham 4a 340

There are several William Longs born in W Ham in the right time frame, some with middle initials, some not. He didn't use one when he married Lilian.

Marriages Mar 1934 (>99%)
Benmore Lillian G Long W. Ham 4a 28
Long William Benmore W.Ham 4a 28

If we could find a death reg for either, we'd suggest that the informant might be a close relative.

Go to http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Select Births
Surname Long
Mothers maiden name Benmore
Year range 1920-1950

The results, including William's birth reg, gives the names and year of birth of 5 ssiblings - your aunts and uncles.
Sometimes its easier to find relatives who can put you in contact.

Would William know about you, or would it be a complete surprise???

Welcome to the boards Angela.

One of the first 'rules' is not to post anything that could infringe the privacy of a potentially living person. On that basis, could you please edit your opening post to remove his exact date of birth please?
There is the danger that the thread would be removed in its entirety if you don't.

Have you searched all members trees to see if William or his parents are listed on anyones trees? The link is at the top right, under Search. If they are listed, send the tree owner a message asking how they are related. Do bear in mind that they may not know about you, so couch the message along the lines that your Mum and William used to be good friends.

Not seeing a 1965 marriage in the correct general area. Is this hear-say or founded on facts?

i really have not got a clue on how to use these sites im looking for my dad who i have never met hes name is william charles long born in 1935 in west ham son to william long and lilian gladys long formerly benmore of 39 shipwright street canning town i know my dad was a baker and i think my dad got married in 1965 and i am told i have a brother and sister whos names are lisa marie and dwayne if anyone could help i would be most grateful im scared that time is ticking as he is quite old :-(