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Hi joonie have been in contact with them and they said it is not him i am awaiting to here from another person I contacted as I have sent copy of johns birth also today I got in contact with my local council to look at any info as to where john went from here . was told they would call me back today or tomorrow supplied them with all the information I have dave

Aha, well that's news. Odd news though. There is no record of their John's birth in England/Wales, and the name is certainly still a coincidence. I wonder whether they know where their John's middle name Mee came from.

your enquiry to the council, that is about after when he was in the children's home?
EDIT sorry!! I had him confused with another John we were looking for this week, so not the one in a children's home in 1939 ... he wasn't born yet! I am just not distinguishing myself in this thread at all lately ...

john was born in Scotland we think ann is mabel don't know why the name change had a call back from cumbria council they are going to do all they can.we might not have to go through freedom of information act he is going to get back as soon as possible this is great news could not have done it without you and every one else here Dorothy is really excited after 55 years she might find closure I just hope it is good news a big thank you to every one best wishes dave

hi all just received john mee abbott wedding certificate I have been in contact with johns granddaughter we both thought we had found him but he has put a different name for his father than what is on his birth certificate.as we thought the john we are looking for died in wakefield thinking he had his date of birth wrong he had 1942 don't know where to go now any suggestions thank you in advance dave

Well I still find the response from the people about the other John Mee Abbott very odd ... did they just say 'no not him' or did they give you any information to show that?

I wonder whether if you were to approach them again and say something like 'their names are so alike we wonder whether they could be related, possibly cousins ... do you know where your John was born?' you might find out more.

(the date of birth on a death certificate is always given by someone else, so it's always possible for that person to get it wrong)

But it is the Wakefield marriage certificate that you have got? and it says a different father ...

that father is deceased now, so do you want to tell us the name? it could help sort out who that JMA was.

john mee abbott born Edinburgh 8th august 1940

As JC has already asked you, what was the name given for the father of the Wakefield man, Dave?

We can't find a birth for another John Mee Abbott around that time.
It may be that his family don't have the correct information, for some reason.

hi the name on the marriage of johns is john abbott and occupation is pilot USAAF there is a middle name but I cannot make it out but begins with the letter A dave

"pilot USAAF" is the name of the father of the JMA who married in Wakefield?

okay that explains that maybe ... a war baby born 1942 who was registered in his mother's surname or took on a stepfather's name or something along that line

or he could have been born in the US himself

Hmmm -
there was a John M Abbott born in Cheshire in 1942 - but no way to know what the M was for, or who his father was, without buying the birth cert.

You don't want to waste money buying birth certs for all sorts of unrelated people!

It is possible, of course, that your Edinburgh John has never married, and is still alive, in which case there will be no online records for him.
Or the records only give his middle initial and not the full name.
If alive, he'll be 76.

searchelectoralroll.co.uk shows a John M Abbott, aged 76, living in Rushden, Northants, and 192.com shows that he's on the current ER. There's an Ann Abbott at the same address.
But whether or not he could be your John, I couldn't say.

okay having read your PM

the granddaughter you mention is the granddaughter of this 'other' John Mee Abbott, born 1942 died 1991 ... and he had a second marriage which is why his first family do not know much about him

or no, I'm confused again, 'she told me her grandfather said he was from Scotland and brought up in foster homes' so this is the granddaughter of the John Mee Abbott you are looking for, not the one who died in 1991

keep in mind when you explain things to us that we only know what you tell us and it's more confusing for us than for you!

if she is his granddaughter then she knows her own grandparents' marriage details no?

- edit - this marriage posted on page 1
Mary Mee married David Abbott in 1939 in Scotland

anyway the second wife of whoever the JMG whose certificate this is has a very unusual name

she remarried ... but is only on the electoral roll to 2005

yes, unfortunately ...

Name: Ivyline Cecilia Black
Birth Date: 31 Aug 1929
Date of Registration: Feb 2005
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register Number: B61A
District and Subdistrict: 099/1B
Entry Number: 294

if you can tell us which John Mee Abbott this relates to - the one you are looking for or the one 1942-1991 that the other people say is not yours - we can maybe find out more

but someone born 1940 (1942?) married a woman born 1929 ...

hi joonie the granddaughter I am talking to is JMA born 1942 remarried 1988 to ivyline celia Thorpe .the marriage cert I have got is of his first marriage to jean Hepworth on the 29 October 1966 stating his father was john a abbott pilot in the usaaf dave

and I was thinking ... the other JMA was born in April 1942 ... the US didn't enter the war until 1942 ... so no US airmen were stationed in England in mid-1941 ...

so perhaps that JMA was born in the US

okay but the woman you are talking to is the granddaughter of the JMA who died in 1991 in Wakefield

and she says 'her grandfather said he was from Scotland and brought up in foster homes'

so this absolutely fits the JMA you are looking for, no?

but she is the daughter of a child of that JMA and his wife Jean Hepworth?

this is just by the bye but whew

Births Sep 1929
Oxtoby Ivyline C Westwood Wakefield 9c 20

Marriages Dec 1948
Oxtoby Ivyline C Taylor Lower Agbrigg 2c 970

and it looks like 10 children to that marriage

Marriages Sep 1974
TAYLOR IVYLINE C LONG PONTEFRACT 5 1377

Marriages Dec 1975
LONG IVYLINE C THORPE PONTEFRACT 5 989

then to the 1942 JMA in 1988, then to Black after he died

I wonder whether any of her children would know anything of the 1942-1991 JMA

Hi do I try to contact any children from JMA 1942-1991 marriage to ivyline c Thorpe in 1988 thank you dave

hi just trying to work out where he got the middle name MEE from as this was Edinburgh johns mothers maiden name

Yes, that's why we thought they might be the same person - and I'm still attracted to that idea, though with no proof whatsoever.

The one who married in 1966 would have had to produce a birth cert when he married Jean, so no chance that he was perhaps inventing a more glamorous father for himself, or was confused as to his DOB !!

Does the 1966 marriage cert give his full middle name as Mee, or is it just the initial? Perhaps it stands for something else?

Clutching at straws here!

Have you sent for the 1991 death cert? If so, what information is on that?
Is it at all possible that the John Mee who died in Wakefield is not the John who married Jean in Wakefield ???

yes the name MEE is on the marriage cert it is the john who married jean as granddaughter confirmed this would it be worth to send for death cert or his marriage cert from his second wife

That would depend on how sure you are that he's not your John.
If you're quite sure he's not, then there's no point in sending for them.

But if you think there's a chance that they may show father's name as David, rather than John, then . . . .
. . . . well, it's up to you!

If the Wakefield one was born in USA, then he's definitely not your John, of course.
But if he was born in UK, it's an unusual name, and your John's birth is the only one we can find which specifically says Mee.

There are a couple of John M Abbott births in 1942, where we don't know what the M stood for.

BUT neither of these would fit a birth in April - assuming the DOB on the 1991 death record is correct, which it may well not be - as has already been said, details on a death cert depend on how accurate the informant's information is.

Sorry! Not much help!
Only you can say if it's worth it to you to spend money on certs which may turn out to be for the wrong person.