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Looking for Peter Collins Born Hendon 1938/39 lived in Oak Avenue Cricklewood

Welcome to the boards. Is there a particular reason you are trying to find him?

If his birth was registered in Hendon, there's one in the 3rd quarter 1939 which may fit. Middle initial J?

What other information do you have? Names of his parents to confirn the correct registration? Siblings?

Have you contacted the person who listed a Peter J Collins 1939 in their tree?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/messages/5761055/discover?rk=434436200

No one seems to list his parents, Hilda E Bannell & Henry F G Collins. As he seems to be the only child of the marriage, he may be the informant on their death certficates.
Perhaps not as it would seem that his father remarried sometime later.

There are far too many records for Hilda E Collins to suggest likely deaths or 2nd marriages.

Do put him and his parents on your tree so that others can contact you in the future. For you to receive a message, you must make sure your GR account is always linked to your most current email address even if you allow your GR account to lapse.

The Peter that is my cousin his mothers name is Emily C Collins and without checking I presumed that he was born in London

Can you recall his father's name please? Sometimes we have to trace other relatives to find the person in question.
Does/did he have siblings?

As you must realise, there a number of Peter Collins! We need to narrow down our search. Middle names or initials can help with that. Consequenty we need to identify the correct birth.

there were two marriages of an Emily C to a Collins between 1930 and 1940

. Harmsworth to Horace W, Finsbury 1933

. Harris to William H, Bethnal Green 1935

the first couple does not seem to have had a son Peter

a Peter with mother Harris was born in Croydon in 1939

if Emily had been married before, her surname when she married would not be the same as the mother's surname on her children's births, of course


or ... did you mean that Collins was Emily's name at birth and not by marriage?

a Peter J with mother Collins was born in Hendon in 1937, might that be the person?

Hello, Emily C Collins was her maiden name and was born in Riverhead Kent in 1912 and her mothers maiden name was Everest as far as I know she was not married and that is why Peters name was Collins, My aunt was living with a James (Jim) Trench who had a son William he was older and did his National Service in the RAF , he spent time in Aden and wrote to my gran quite often I remember the blues coming with the Aden stamps on , as I have said they lived in Oak Avenue/Road in Cricklewood No. 10 I recall . I cant think of anymore info to add.
Kind regards Mick Collins

Maybe she had siblings whose children may know of her and peter


First name(s) EMILY C
Last name COLLINS
Birth year 1912
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name EVEREST
District SEVENOAKS
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 1561
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Quite few born after her

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Collins Emily C Everest Sevenoaks 2a 1561
Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
COLLINS John W Everest Sevenoaks 2a 1617
Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Collins Edward G Everest Sevenoaks 2a 1365
Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Collins Horace A Everest Sevenoaks 2a 1_03
Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Collins Leonard S Everest Sevenoaks 2a 1518

Parents marriage

Marriages Jun 1904
Collins Augustus Albert Sevenoaks 2a 1463
Everest Elizabeth Sevenoaks 2a 1463

1911 census

England Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Church Row Riverhead Kent, Riverhead, Kent, England
Augustus Albert Collins Head Married Male Labourer General 34 1877 Kent Dunton Green
Elizabeth Collins Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Kent Dunton Green
Thomas Albert Collins Son - Male - 6 1905 Kent Riverhead
Charles Bartholomew Collins Son - Male - 3 1908 Kent Riverhead
Ellen Elizabeth Collins Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Kent Riverhead

Married 6 years 3 children born

Youngest brother


First name(s) LEONARD S
Last name COLLINS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1940
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LEONARD S COLLINS married
VERA A DAWKINS
Spouse's last name DAWKINS
District SEVENOAKS
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 3419
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

look on FreeBMD for any children

Sadly it looks like Leonard and his brother Horace died in WW2

DEATHS ARMY OTHER RANKS (1939 to 1948) Transcription
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First name(s) LEONARD S
Last name COLLINS
Death year 1944
Service number 6344403
Rank Private
Regiment or unit Royal West Kent Regiment
Record source GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1939 to 1948)
Volume 6
Page 292


ARMY OTHER RANKS (1939 to 1948) Transcription
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First name(s) HORACE A
Last name COLLINS
Death year 1944
Service number 6345118
Rank Private
Regiment or unit Royal West Kent Regiment
Record source GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1939 to 1948)
Volume 6
Page 292

COLLINS, HORACE ARTHUR

Rank:PrivateService No:6345118Date of Death:20/04/1944Age:24Regiment/Service:Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment 4th Bn. Panel Reference: Face 16. Memorial:RANGOON MEMORIALAdditional Information:Son of Augustus Albert and Elizabeth Collins, of Riverhead, Kent; husband of Evelyn Lilian Mary Collins, of Riverhead. His brother Leonard Sidney also

You could look for children though as they both married in 1940 so any children could stil be alive and know about their sister

So she was still not married in 1939

TRANSCRIPTION (PREVIEW)
Fench Household
Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Emily Collins 1912
James R Fench is also on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

okay, this is annoying

I have posted about this 'Fench' business sometime in the last couple of weeks ... the name was 'Trench' as I recall ... I will try to find the thread

not finding it

what's up, Michael?

I absolutely know that I searched for and found the Emily Collins living with James 'Fench' on Oak Street in Hendon and there was more discussion of this ...


when I do the search again at 1939, for Collins living with Fench, the results show

Peter Collins 1937

this strongly suggests that he is deceased??
or that findmypast has made a rather big error by making his record public

this death is the best match for the PJC registered in Hendon in 4th quarter 1937

(although there were also two PJC births registered in third quarter 1937)

Name: Peter James Collins
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1937
Date of Registration: Sep 2003
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Chelmsford
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: D7G
District and Subdistrict: 468/1D
Entry Number: 129

the middle name would match with the man Emily was living with possibly

Hello All, I hope you all had good Christmas and New Year. Now to add to my story I think where I have gone wrong is with Trench and Fench when I was young it was always Uncle Jim and Auntie Sis but know they lived in Oak Road / Avenue and Jim had a son called Bill , I do not believe Peters father was mentioned on the birth cert.
Everything else you have let know is correct , there is one mistake , which is in the records my fathers name was Horace Archer not Arthur its a bit late now to get it changed on The Rangoon Wall. I believe that I am the last of the children from Horace and Leonard my sister Patricia died before she reached 60 The same as with my cousin Raymond Leonards son. I know that my Grandmother, who we was living with at the time, was heart broken when her two youngest boys went in two days of each other. Anyway enough about my life story, as I am a one finger typist it takes ages to type this.
Regards Mjck Collins

Mick, when you came back to this thread you completely ignored what I had said earlier about the Peter J Collins born in 1937 in Hendon


the only way you are going to find out about Peter is to take a chance and buy a birth certificate or two

I strongly suggest the one for PJC born in 1937 in Hendon

Hendon is where Emily was living in 1939

the birthdate and middle name on that certificate would help you look to see whether that PJC has died

(for deaths after 1969, the deaths index that we consult at Ancestry shows the exact date of birth and the full middle name)

for names so common, that is the only way to search accurately

my suspicion is that the 1937 birth and 2003 death are the PJC you are looking for

the fact that I can see him in the 1939 register means that he is deceased
(unless FindMyPast has made an error and released his record when it should not have done because he was born less than 100 years ago)


the same for Emily ... you need to know her full middle name and her exact birthdate, from her birth certificate

her death may be registered in a different surname even if she was not married ... she might have been known by the surname of a partner she lived with for a long time

if you find her death and get her death certificate, the name and address of the person who registered the death could give you valuable information


to make it clearer, when I search the 1939 register for

Peter Collins
on Oak Street
in Hendon

this is the result

Fench Household Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England
Peter Collins 1937
James R Fench and 1 more person are on this record
1 more person who is officially closed

the '1 more person' is Emily Collins
the 'person who is officially closed' could be Jim's son William


the search for

Emily Collins
on Oak Street
in Hendon

shows

Fench Household Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England
Emily Collins 1912
James R Fench is also on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

- it shows Peter as officially closed only because of his birthdate

but what I think is that Peter is known to be deceased, so a search does find his details as I showed above


the question is this 'Fench' which is more than likely an error made by FindMyPast in transcribing the 1939 record, it seems

so the other thing to do is pay for access to the 1939 record to see what it really says

actually, TENCH it is ...


Births Jun 1905
Tench James Ralph Tonbridge 2a 815

Name: James R Tench
Birth Date: abt 1905
Date of Registration: Sep 1966
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5c
Page: 161


James R Tench married in Edmonton in 1925

there were 3 births to that marriage

the first child died in early childhood
the second I don't find any other records of

the third was William G in 1928

Name: William G Tench
Mother's Maiden Surname: Harvey
Date of Registration: 1928 - Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page number: 117

posting the birth details because I think this is that William's death

Name: Gower William Tench
Birth Date: 8 Feb 1928
Date of Registration: Sep 1974
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1573


nobody was born with the name Gower Tench

and the fact that his death is registered under his middle name is why his 1939 record is still closed, because there is no death record to match his birth

there is a marriage in 1953 in Willesden with several children


one person has Gower Tench in their tree at this website:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/tree/results/tench/gower


actually the second birth was Rose M who seems to have gone by Rosemary

she may have married in 1945 and had children

if that was her marriage, a close relation has her in a tree at this site
(same person with same Rosemary/Rosemarie in their tree, two different accounts, so you would want to send messages to both accounts in case one is disused)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/tree/results/tench/rose?yearofbirth=1925&yearofbirthrange=1

I would be pretty sure that is the correct person, this is her death

Name: Rosemarie Wilson
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1926
Date of Registration: Mar 2002
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Register Number: B64F
District and Subdistrict: 3151B
Entry Number: 78

which matches her birth

Name: Rose M Tench
Mother's Maiden Surname: Harvey
Date of Registration: 1926 - Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1b
Page number: 253


I can't find what became of James Tench's wife ... perhaps she too partnered with someone else and her death was registered under his surname ... her name is too common to identify her birth

(I wonder whether the daughter stayed with her mother and the son Gower William went with his father when the couple separated)


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