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if I'm understanding, Ann's parents had separated ... David was taken from the home to live with his mother?

I wonder whether one or both parents remarried

these could match father Eric ...

remarriage: Eric Oliver - Vera Townsend Or Oliver Apr-May-Jun 1952 York

'Townsend or Oliver' indicating they had been living together before marriage

deaths:
Vera Oliver 1921 Oct 2002 York
Eric Oliver 1916 Jun 1998 York Yorkshire

matching this birth:

Births Dec 1916
Oliver Eric Wood Doncaster 9c 1472

May not be connected, but one of the children born middlesbrough may have died in Durham, as there isn't a matching birth that I can see

Deaths Mar 1954 (>99%)
Oliver Marianne 0 Durham S.E. 1a 681

which 'might' suggest the family moved?

possible?? From find a grave Olive Oliver
Birth: 1922
Death: Apr. 16, 1996


Note: Age: 74

Name: Olive Oliver
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1921
Date of Registration: Apr 1996
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Durham Northern
Inferred County: Durham
Register Number: CH31B
District and Subdistrict: 4401
Entry Number: 146

Couple of possible marriages in the 70s for the other Oliver/Hamilton daughter born Middlesbrough, which may be worth looking at, if parentage is confirmed. ( not posting as we don't know for sure who's who).

Rambling Rose, you may have missed my earlier comment

there is a Hamilton-Oliver marriage in Middlesbrough 1951 that in all likelihood would account for those births in Middlesbrough (edited, I originally said marriages)


However I am also wondering about the birth of Peter in Cleveland the year after Josephine ... there is not another marriage to account for that birth

... whether Ann's mum partnered with another man after the separation (but since she was still married, the birth was registered in her husband's surname)

I think I've missed a lot JoonieCloonie lol, I got distracted with another search and the new Ancestry layout :-0

I do think the Olive Oliver death is interesting though ... except surprisingly there are loads of Olive marriages to surname Oliver, and ours had middle initial M


I've wondered whether the Middlesbrough Hamilton-Oliver marriage might be related ...

Sylvia A Hamilton to John J Oliver

there's no such Sylvia birth

death? Sylvia Ann Oliver - 25 Oct 1930 - died Sep 1983 Cleveland


and actually since Angela says David went to live with his mother in Middlesbrough ...

Births Mar 1921 ?
Hamilton Olive Angus Middlesbro' 9d 1022

an Eric Oliver (that is, the son, is my suggestion) married in Middlesbrough in 1965

he and his wife are on the current electoral roll

I will send Angela privately the info from freeelectoralroll since search results can't be linked to there

I have also sent information that seems to be about Ann's brother David

(two David W Oliver births were registered in the same quarter; probably the other one, born in Leeds, is the one in Leeds on the current electoral roll)

I agree that i am going to have to get Mums birth certificate to be able to move forward.Thank you for all your help the feed back has been amazing . you all clearly know what you are doing on here.The information i received is from Mum herself but i also know that with her being so young at the time that she probably did not know the facts .I feel it such a shame she didn't talk to me more ,but we avoided the subject so as not to upset her as i know she missed her brothers .You all have given me alot to go on and to think about so thank you again