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Have Just found out Vincent Bernard Bailey may have had a child before he joined up for ww11 would love to get in touch to fill in the blanks.
Sandy Bailey New Zealand

Have you looked on FreeBMD for possible marriages for them

Plus look for the death of Katherine

Your enquiry though reads as if they didn't stay in the UK ?

He didn't marry as Vincent Bernard

Name: Vincent Bailey
Spouse Surname: Bates
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 662
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And she was Catherine Bates. Not Katherine

Looking on FeeBMD there are two other possible children for them to 1950

Their marriage cert will give their ages and fathers names

This is a possible birth for Vincent

Births Dec 1908
Bailey Vincent Nottingham 7b 368


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17 Hollow Stone Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Arthur Bailey Head Married Male 42 1869 Nottingham Saddler
Clara Bailey Wife Married Female 42 1869 Nottingham -
Bert Richardson Boarder Single Male 22 1889 Nottingham Shop Assistant
Edith Hannah Bailey Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Nottingham Lace Mesurer
Arthur Bailey Son Single Male 16 1895 Nottingham Milk Seller
William Robert Bailey Son Single Male 14 1897 Nottingham Van Lad
Percy Bailey Som Single Male 12 1899 Nottingham School
Claude Bailey Som Single Male 9 1902 Nottingham School
Albert Bailey Son - Male 8 1903 Nottingham School
Edgar Bailey Son - Male 6 1905 Nottingham School
Leonard Bailey Son - Male 4 1907 Nottingham School
Vincent Bailey Son - Male 3 1908 Nottingham -
Harold Bailey Son - Male 1 1910 Nottingham -

wow more children? just looked on this site and realised her name was Catherine Do you know the other childrens name? as he bought one a Dorothea born in 11.1.1941 back from England she said there was a 99 year old veto on her birth certivicate when she tried to acess it in England on a trip. He had another family in NZ who knew nothing about the first family Thank you for your reseach very interesting Sandy

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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) VINCENT
Last name BAILEY
Gender Male
Birth day 10
Birth month 9
Birth year 1908
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1993
District NOTTINGHAM
District number 6891C
Register number C58A
Entry number 265
Date of registration mm/yy 0193
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records


So stayed in the UK

If you are looking for a vincent who didn't say in the UK. Then have you picked up the right one. As this one didn't have a second name on any of the records

No Vincent Bernard Bailey was born 2/10/1912 in New Zealand interesting we have Arthur and Percy Bailey too though
Sandy

The only Dorothea
Births Mar 1941
Bailey Dorothea A Wright Birmingham 6d 269
Bailey Dorothea A Wright Birmingham 9c see J50

And her birth was corrected in 1950

Births Jun 1950
Bailey Dorothea A. Wright Birmingham 9c 221 et685

Usually means the parents married later so her birth record was re recorded

So when did he go to the UK , and when did he return to new Zealand

Vincent died in New Zealand he returned with another woman after the war and bought a child out with them Dorothea who was about 7

There isn't a marriage for him in the UK.

That info you have picked up for the 1935 marriaige isn't him as that family stayed in the UK

First name(s) DOROTHEA ANN
Last name BAILEY
Title MISS
Gender Female
Age 6
Birth year 1941
Departure year 1947
Departure day 24
Departure month 1
Departure port LONDON
Destination port NEW ZEALAND
Destination NEW ZEALAND
Country NEW ZEALAND
Destination country NEW ZEALAND
Ship name RIMUTAKA
Ship official number 145517
Ship master's first name P B
Ship master's last name CLARKE
Shipping line THE NEW ZEALAND SHIPPING COMPANY LIMITED
City LONDON
Ship destination port NEW ZEALAND
Ship destination country NEW ZEALAND
Ship registered tonnage 10009
Number of passengers 288
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger listsu
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Travelled with a Mrs. Doris. May. Bailey aged 34

Home address 282 High street Smethwick

Smethwick is in the birmingham area so like the right birth for Dorothea

Can't see any marriage them though so looks like they weren't married

yes he did to his second wife whose maiden name was wright they had to wait for her devoice to come through maybe his too. You still have to wonder why they would put a 99 year veto when Dorothea (Dee) asked for her original birth certificate
I thought he went to join up in the second war but Dee said he went in the 1930s and joined up in 1944 to the general service corps then in the 22/2/1945 parachute Regiment he had a red beret Sandy

Don't know why the 99 year veto. Never heard of that. Births now under 50 years old you have to know all the info in order to get a copy of the cert because of data protection / identity fraud

So he brought his second wife and Dorothea back from the UK

Doesn't look like he married before then though

Won't their marriage cert indicate if he was married before

He wasn't the one who married in 1935 though wrong guy !!

What about getting his army records. They may give some clues .But if he was living with Doris then the records may well have her as his next of kin

No I don't think they were married until later but his family didn't know they were against a 25 anniversary celebration Yes that's them Doris was born in Birmingham and had family there. Doris also had a son to a previous Marriage? relationship but her husband kept the child. Interesting times

Doris' first marriage:

Marriages Dec 1930
Stokes George A Wright Birmingham N. 6d 890
Wright Doris M Stokes Birmingham N. 6d 890

Rose

Well it looks like it was only Doris who had married before as there isn't any marriage for Vincent. B. Bailey in the UK

Why don't you think it was him that married Catherine Bates?