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:-DThanks Tasha, I take it you are going to get the death cert and if correct contact the second wife. It can't hurt, she was an adult when they got together so must have had some inclination of his past!

I would be interested in whether the dc is the right person though.

Take care of yourselves, atb
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Thank you to everyone who helped me out, you did in 2 days what me an my mum couldnt do in 15 years. THANK YOU SO MUCH

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thank you very much :)

To order the death certificate go to GRO - it costs £9.25, just input the details you know - including date of death and his age, which would be 69 if this is the right person.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

I'll send you a PM with the possible marriage, and details of her previous marriage etc - I don't want to post on the board as it is not secure. Check out your messages in a little while.

Thank you very much
i think i have found it, would i have to ring bridgend registry office for death cert?
sorry for all the questions :/ and also i couldnt find a marriage for him and his new wife

Death registrations online only go up to 2006, and there is no death with that dob.

However, I'm really sorry (and this may be totally unconnected) there is an obituary for a Malcolm Charles Payne who died 17/10/2008 but it does not give his age. Google his full name + obituary and you should find it - along with details of his wife and a son. It looks like they married in 1990 but possibly been together for a considerable time before this.

The only way to be sure would be to try to order the death cert to see if dob is correct - as you have to give an age they should advise you if it isn't a match.

If it is a match, his wife is still alive living in Wales. Like I say, this may be totally wrong person - with no age given on the obit it is impossible to tell. I'm only posting this info as you have reached a dead end with all other efforts.

im figurng he came bk alone because his daughter Elaine C payne was born on 16/8/1959,
also around 1962 malcolm was offered married quarters at RAF sealand Chester, (i m not sure if he actually took them as my Nanna Brenda Gregson, had left him around 1962 ish)

That's amazing thank you

And his passage out, travelling with a lot of other RAF men:

Malcolm Payne
Gender:Male
Departure Date:30 Apr 1959
Port of Departure:Southampton, England
Destination Port:New York, USA
Ship Name:Queen Mary
Search Ship Database:
Search the 'Queen Mary' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:Cunard Steam Ship Company, Limited
Master:Johnw Lasuie

This is Malcolm I think, address given on image is 79 Vernon St Rhosdru - he occupation states RAF


Malcolm Payne
Birth Date:22 Jan 1939
Age:20
Port of Departure:New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date:5 Oct 1959
Port of Arrival:Plymouth, England
Ship Name:Liberte
Search Ship Database:View the 'Liberte' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:French Line
Official Number:5270/30

He is travelling alone, and states he is married.

His fathers full name was John Percy Charles Payne according to 1938 ERs for Surrey - where Malcolm C was born:

John Percy Charles Payne
Year:1938
Country:England
County:Surrey
Parliamentary Division/Constituency:Reigate
Place of Abode:2 Elward Cottages, Middle Street

Reference Number:CC802/55/7

Living with Marjorie.

Thanks for your help, i have now managed to get down to 3 of Malcolms cousins, altho iv hit a brick wall again lol

thank you so much i recognise the name Stapleton i think it was malcolms grandmothers MMN

First name(s) BERTRAM O
Last name PAYNE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1887
Age 66
Death quarter 1
Death year 1953
District SURREY SOUTH EASTERN
District number -
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 5G
Page 1130

First name(s) BERTRAM STANLEY L
Last name PAYNE
Gender Male
Birth day 9
Birth month 9
Birth year 1914
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1975
District WINDSOR & MAIDENHEAD
District number -
County Berkshire
Country England
Volume 19
Page 0737

Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)

PAYNE Bertram Oliver Pontypridd 11a 770
Stapleton Sarah Ann Pontypridd 11a 770

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
BERTRAM OLIVER PAYNE HEAD MARRIED Male 26 1885 THORNBURY GLOS COAL MINER HEWER Image Transcription
SARAH ANN PAYNE WIFE MARRIED Female 27 1884 ABERAMAN GLAM - Image Transcription
GEORGE OLIVER PAYNE SON - Male 4 1907 FERNDALE GLAM - Image Transcription
EDWARD CLIFFORD PAYNE SON - Male 2 1909 BLAENLLECHAU GLAM - Image Transcription
FRANCES ELLEN MAY PAYNE DAUGHTER - Female 0 1911 FERNDALE GLAM -


Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Payne John P C Stapleton Pontypridd 11a 1372

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
PAYNE Bertram S L Stapleton Pontypridd 11a 1076

Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Payne Winifred L Stapleton Pontypridd 11a 1194

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Payne Florence E Stapleton Pontypridd 11a 1494

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Payne Margaret A Stapleton Pontypridd 11a 1388

Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
Payne Mildred E Stapleton Pontypridd 11a 1175

IF that was the right person's death, and IF Malcolm was an only child, the chances are that he registered the death..................providing he was in contact with his mother

im not sure if she re married but as far as im aware Malcolm was an only child.....
but my family have fobbed me with nonsense so it could be true or not :/

This matches her birth..........assuming there was no re-marriage

First name(s) MARJORIE
Last name PAYNE
Gender Female
Birth day 14
Birth month 7
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2003
District WREKIN
District number 7161B
County Shropshire
Country England
Volume -
Page -
Entry number 262
DOR 303
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain