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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2014 23:56

Joyce isn't with roger on the electoral roll of 2005 .she has her daughter living with her surname Woodbridge

If you want the address then I can PM it

It looks like she and Roger were no longer together then

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Mar 2014 21:44

You would need to purchase a copy of Basil's birth certificate to find out the address of where he was born.

Having said that.......his parents were living at the same address of 26 High Street, Welshpool, Montgomeryshire on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census.



1901 Wales Census
about Thomas A Howells Name:Thomas A Howells
Age in 1901:3
Estimated birth year:abt 1898
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Thomas Howells
Mother's name:Annie Howells
Gender:Male
Where born:Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish:Welshpool
Ecclesiastical parish:Pool St Mary
Town:Welshpool
County/Island:Montgomeryshire
Country:Wales
Street address: 26 High Street, Welshpool, Montgomeryshire
Registration district:Forden
Sub-registration district:Welshpool

Household Members:

Thomas Howells 44 (Bootmaker)
Annie Howells 24 .....Shifnal Staffordshire
Thomas A Howells 3
William C Howells 1


1891 Wales Census
about Thomas Howells Name:Thomas Howells
Age:39
Estimated birth year:abt 1852
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Annie Howells
Gender:Male
Where born:Forden
Civil Parish:Pool Middle Division
Ecclesiastical parish:St Marys
Town:Welshpool
County/Island:Montgomeryshire
Country:Wales
Street address: 26 High Street
Registration district:Forden
Sub-registration district:Welshpool

Household Members:

Thomas Howells 39 (Bootmaker)
Annie Howells 43.....Welshpool

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 28 Mar 2014 18:53

Joyce is showing on the 2005 electoral roll but not after that. She looks to have had a daughter who is on Facebook.

Google "Joyce Howells Coventry 192" to see her name.

Rose

Pandora

Pandora Report 28 Mar 2014 18:01

Thank you

Is there an address for basil howells 1903?

Pandora

Pandora Report 28 Mar 2014 18:01

Thank you

Is there an address for basil howells 1903?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Mar 2014 16:58

Hi Pandora and welcome to the boards.

BMD is an abbreviation for .......Births, Marriages and Deaths.

Another one.....MMN....Mothers maiden name.

Click on this link for information about GRO....

http://traceyourroots.blogspot.co.uk/2008/03/understanding-gro-general-registrars.html

A free site we all use for BMDs is here.........

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Mar 2014 16:48

In case this is of interest to you........

As you can see from the death record......Basil was born 27th Dec 1903.


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Basil George Howells Name:Basil George Howells
Birth Date:27 Dec 1903
Date of Registration:Mar 1979
Age at Death:75
Registration district:Coventry
Inferred County:West Midlands
Volume:33
Page:0149

His birth was registered in the 1st quarter of 1904...

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
Howells Basil George Forden 11b 164


Household transcription
1911 census


Person: HOWELLS, Basil George
Address: 26 and 27 High St Welshpool Mont

HOWELLS, Thomas Head Married M 55 1856 Bootmaker Dealer Forden Montgomery
HOWELLS, Annie Wife Married15 years F 35 1876 Assisting In The Business Shifnal Shropshire
HOWELLS, Thomas Alfred Son M 13 1898 Messenger Post Office Welshpool Mont
HOWELLS, William Charles Son M 11 1900 Welshpool Mont
HOWELLS, Annie Elsie Daughter F 9 1902 Welshpool Mont
HOWELLS, Basil George Son M 7 1904 Welshpool Mont
HOWELLS, Mary Eleanor Daughter F 4 1907 Welshpool Mont
HOWELLS, Edna Lilain Daughter F 3 1908 Welshpool Mont
ELLIS, Nelliw Beatrice Niece F 5 1906 Selly Oak Staffordshire (Nellie)
RG number: RG14
Piece: 33837
Reference: RG14PN33837 RG78PN1954 RD617 SD3 ED10 SN24
Registration District: Forden
Sub District: Welshpool
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Welshpool
Address: 26 and 27 High St Welshpool Mont
County: Montgomeryshire
(7 children born, 6 living, 1 had died)

Edit..........

It doesn't look as if the wife Annie who appears on the 1891 census, is the same Annie who appears on the 1901 and 1911.

The Annie who appears on the 1891.......is age 43 born Welshpool.

The Annie who appears on the 1901 (Age 24) and the 1911 (Age 35) was born in Shifnal, Shropshire.

The 1911 states that Thomas and Annie have been married for 15 years.

Also, note that there is a Niece with the surname of Ellis.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Annie Ellis Name:Annie Ellis
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1896
Registration district:Shifnal
Inferred County:Shropshire
Volume Number:6a
Page Number:1303
Records on Page:

Annie Ellis
Thomas Howells

Pandora

Pandora Report 28 Mar 2014 16:24

thank you, what does GRO mean and BMDS?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2014 16:18


The Register Office
Cheylesmore Manor House'
Manor House Drive
Coventry
CV1 2ND

tel nos024 7683 3141

Fax 024 7683 3110

email address [email protected]

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2014 16:16

online BMDS only go to 2006 so if Joyce died after that it wont be online BUT you could ring the local Records office and enquire they may do a look up for you

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2014 16:14

Yes his mum died in 1992 and the index to her death is the GRO ref that you will need to order a copy of her death cert

get it from www.gro.gov.uk costs £9.25 with the ref quoted

You have to register on the site and follow the order form Tick the box that asks if the GRO ref is known and then fill in the ref in the boxes ie year .qrtr .vol nos ,page nos etc

Only post the details as its shown on the record dont add any other info to it.

Pandora

Pandora Report 28 Mar 2014 15:56

Hi Thank you for all your'e help with me. I dont understand all these figures 6d 2320 how are you finding this stuff out?
Yeah im guessing he divorced Linda as he married Joyce, she only passed away a few years a go and that was in coventry, So did his mum die in 1992?
i really do appreciate you helping me x

Pandora

Pandora Report 28 Mar 2014 15:56

Hi Thank you for all your'e help with me. I dont understand all these figures 6d 2320 how are you finding this stuff out?
Yeah im guessing he divorced Linda as he married Joyce, she only passed away a few years a go and that was in coventry, So did his mum die in 1992?
i really do appreciate you helping me x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2014 08:10

If you have been told that Joyce has passed away does the person know when or where ?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2014 06:49

Wonder whether Roger was the informant on his mums death cert

That would get you a newer address for him if he was the informant

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Mar 2014 06:47

There's some confusion on the records on Linda's second initial. it looks like c but there's no corresponding birth . But ancestry had transcribed it as D and there is a birth as Linda d plus a second marriage as Linda d in 1977
presume there was a divorce as both remarried

Travel though online only to to 1960 so not possible to follow that line up

FAIRTHORN

FAIRTHORN Report 28 Mar 2014 04:07

Marriages Jun 1941
Gardiner Amy E Howells Coventry 6d 2320
Howells Basil G Gardiner Coventry 6d 2320

Births Mar 1915
GARDINER Amy E Johnson Banbury 3a 2199

Name: HOWELLS, Amy Elizabeth
Registration district: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1992
Month of registration: August
Date of Birth:26 February 1915
Volume no: 33
Page no: 312
Reg no: 892


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Pandora

Pandora Report 27 Mar 2014 23:05

Oh I have no idea how to use this site lol.
I have found Roger married Linda Allard in 1967 and Joyce Woodbridge in 1982. Joyce has died. His father is Basil George Howelles born 1903 and passed 1979. It looks like he married a Gardiner in 1941.
Rogers middle name was James. Triston was born 1969 he has a sister but I can not find her I think her name was Kerry and she was younger. My mum tells me Linda Kerry and Triston moved to Zambia.
Im not sure where Roger was born I assume it was Coventry as he met his three woman there and had the children but it has been said he moved to peterborough.
I feel at such a dead end :-(

patchem

patchem Report 27 Mar 2014 21:51

But there does not appear to be a matching birth for him.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Mar 2014 21:46

on the marriage record Roger is shown as Roger J which may help