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Geoffrey
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26 Sep 2013 11:30 |
Thank you for all you recent info most of it confirmed, but the occasional use of an alternate surname certainly 'spices up the game'. I have a copy of the marriage certificate of Joe Ben Wilcock and Annie Lees dated 9th April 1882 in the Parish of St Luke PRESTON.
It is interesting on this certificate to see that the Grooms Father is William 'Wilcock'. He would have a lifetimes experience of the embarrasment of using two surnames, i think that this may be a 'facesaver' to use a term that you used earlier. "Could Joe Ben have given this name in Williams absence ? HE knew his true surname at birth but he would have known William (Senior ) as his father for 20 years, this of course is speculation on my part. Many thanks Geoff.
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19 Sep 2013 10:29 |
Reggie, thank you for all the info that you have sent to which I have failed to reply. Everything that i have been able to verify is absolutely correct, and 1 or 2 'holes' have been filled. I am now getting to understand the system a little better and will try to reply promptly her-after. geoff.
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17 Sep 2013 22:00 |
1911 census
Person: SENIOR, Esther Address: 70 Brampton Road West Melton Rotherham SENIOR, Walter Husband Married M 47 1864 Coal Miner Hewer Holmfirth VIEW SENIOR, Sarah Wife Married24 years F 46 1865 Domestic Duties West Melton VIEW SENIOR, Matilda Daughter Single F 22 1889 Drapery Manageress Birdwell VIEW SENIOR, Albert Son Single M 19 1892 Coal Miner Hewer Birdwell VIEW SENIOR, Horace Son Single M 17 1894 Pony Driver Under Ground Silkston Common VIEW SENIOR, Elsie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Assisting At Home Birdwell VIEW SENIOR, Gladys Daughter Single F 14 1897 Assisting At Home Birdwell VIEW SENIOR, Doris Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Silkstone Common VIEW SENIOR, Esther Mother Widow F 73 1838 Pensioner Cawthorne
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ErikaH
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17 Sep 2013 21:57 |
Marriages Mar 1862
Wilcocks Esther Huddersfield 9a [38]33 Senior William Huddersfield 9a 333
Now try to get in touch with the other member researching EMILY
Also, use freebmd to carry out research yourself..............there's a lot of info on page one for you to work on................
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Geoffrey
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17 Sep 2013 18:53 |
Once again, thank you for bearing with me. To the best of my knowledge there is no dispute that William Senior 1831 was the father of all other children in his family, I think he had 4 children by his first wife. I believe that he married Esther Wilcock on 2 January 1862 (not confirmed) who brought Joe Ben Wilcock ( father not named) into the Senior family, they proceeded to have 8or 9 children together. My grandfather Joe Ben was buried in Royston nor Barnsley with the name Joe Ben Wilcock on the brass plaque on his coffin. I presume he was never officially adopted into the Senior family. He was known all his life and employed on the railway as Joe Ben Senior. Thanks for your help so far , Geoff Wilcock.
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ErikaH
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14 Sep 2013 09:08 |
At least one other member has EMILY in her GR tree.....send her a message.
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ErikaH
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14 Sep 2013 09:03 |
Use freebmd to find info...........................
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
I've given you names...................look for them in 'search all trees'
And, if you can find a marriage for Esther and William, you have access to resources that I don't
Some comment on what I've posted would not go amiss
BTW....the reference to a 'father' on Joe Ben's marriage is clearly a face-saver - whoever he was, I doubt that his surname was Wilcock.
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Geoffrey
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14 Sep 2013 08:52 |
I am a novice at this site,I will, with a little forbearance master it. The Joe ben in the above tree was the son of Esther 1839 but William is not mentioned on Joebens Birth certificate, William and Esther married some time later. At the time of Joe bens birth Esther was a spinster and William had recently lost his first wife. Joe ben was buried as Joe Ben Wilcock. I am seeking to trace descendants of Seniors Born after 1863. Hope you get this message Geoff.
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ErikaH
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14 Sep 2013 08:41 |
Geoffrey
You have obviously found your way back here , and managed to 'mark as answered'......however, some feedback ON THE THREAD would be appreciated
See the box below........................................
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ErikaH
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13 Sep 2013 23:15 |
Some more info by PM............
Esther Wilcock married William Senior 1831a year or two after Joe Ben's birth , he already had 4 children {Seniors to his late wife). They had a further 8 children together, Joe Ben remained a Wilcock.
NO trace of any such marriage that I can see................
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1871 census
Person: SENIOR, Esther Address: Pilley Colliery, Tankersley
SENIOR, William Head M 40 1831 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Esther Wife F 32 1839 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Guy Son M 20 1851 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Ellen Daughter F 16 1855 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Alfred Son M 15 1856 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Allen Son M 13 1858 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, John Son M 12 1859 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Joeben Son M 10 1861 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Priscilla Daughter F 8 1863 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Walter Son M 7 1864 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, James H Son M 5 1866 Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Emily Daughter F 1 1870 Yorkshire
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13 Sep 2013 16:50 |
Confirmation of the accuracy and relevance of the data
Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Horne Michael Wortley 9c 263 Wilcock Tamar Wortley 9c 263
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13 Sep 2013 16:49 |
Same girl in 1851
1851 census
Person: WILCOCK, Esther Address: Berry Moor
WILCOCK, Benjamin Head Married M 38 1813 Labourer At Coal Pits Cawthorne, Yorkshire VIEW WILCOCK, Tamar Wife Married F 43 1808 High Hoyland, Yorkshire VIEW WILCOCK, Esther Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 Scholar Cawthorne, Yorkshire VIEW EARNSHAW, Hannah Lodger F 8 1843 Scholar Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW WILSON, John Lodger Unmarried M 31 1820 Coal Miner Preston, Lancashire
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13 Sep 2013 16:47 |
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1861 census
Person: WILCOCK, Esther Address: 11, Coates, Thurgoland
DARWENT, Samuel Head Married M 45 1816 Agricultural Labourer Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW DARWENT, Matilda Wife Married F 40 1821 Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW DARWENT, Lucy F Daughter F 0 (6M) 1861 Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW WILCOCK, Esther Servant F 22 1839 General Servant Cawthorne, Yorkshire
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13 Sep 2013 16:42 |
Marriage: 9 Apr 1882 St Luke, Preston, Lancashire, England Joe Ben Wilcock - 21, Pork Butcher, Bachelor, 11 Tyne Street Annie Lees - 21, Weaver, Spinster, 102 Porter Street Groom's Father: William Wilcock, Labourer Bride's Father: Peter Lees, Painter Witness: Robert Holmes; J E Richardson Married by Banns by: E. Over Notes: [Groom signed 'J B Willcock' ] Register: Marriages 1864 - 1888, Page 150, Entry 300 Source: LDS Film 1471020
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13 Sep 2013 16:38 |
1861 census
Person: WILCOCK, Joe B Address: Berry Moor, Thurgoland
HORNE, Michael Head Married M 56 1805 Coal Miner Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW HORNE, Tamer Wife Married F 54 1807 High Hoyland, Yorkshire VIEW HORNE, Joshua Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Coal Miner Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW HORNE, Joshe Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Coal Miner Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW HORNE, Sarah Ann Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW HORNE, Ben Son M 10 1851 Scholar Thurgoland, Yorkshire VIEW WILCOCK, Joe B Grandson In Law M 0 (10M) 1861 Thurgoland, Yorkshire
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13 Sep 2013 16:34 |
A glimmer...............
Births Jun 1860 (>99%) WILCOCK Joe Ben Wortley 9c 157
Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
Lees Annie Preston 8e 876 Martindale Mary Alice Preston 8e 876 TOPPING Richard Preston 8e 876 WILCOCK Joe Ben Preston 8e 876
From LANCS BMD
WILCOCK Joe Ben LEES Annie Preston, St Luke Preston 231/1/300
Deaths Jun 1939 (>99%) Wilcock Joe B 79 Staincross 9c 260
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13 Sep 2013 16:29 |
Sent to me by PM
my fathers name was Norman Wilcock /Senior His. "". "". "". Joe Ben Wilcock / Senior all his siblings were called Senior. His mother was. Esther Wilcock. Father not stated.
I have asked Geoffrey to return to this thread..........more than once, but to no avail
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11 Sep 2013 11:50 |
Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%) Parsons Jane H Senior Ecclesall B. 9c 467 Senior John G G Parsons Ecclesall B. 9c 467 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deaths Dec 1960 (>99%) SENIOR John G G 82 Sheffield 2d 207
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11 Sep 2013 11:47 |
1881 census
Person: SENIOR, John G Address: Rose Hill Cottage, Dodworth
SENIOR, John G Head Married M 39 1842 Commercial Clerk Earthenware Dodworth, Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Mary Ann Wife Married F 34 1847 Barnsley, Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, Sarah Jane Daughter Single F 14 1867 Chesterfield, Derbyshire VIEW SENIOR, Betsy Gertrude Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Dodworth, Yorkshire VIEW SENIOR, John George G Son Single M 3 1878 Dodworth, Yorkshire VIEW W SENIOR, William H Son Single M 0 1881 Dodworth, Yorkshire
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11 Sep 2013 11:45 |
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Death Name: WILCOCK, Norman H Registration district: Staincross County: YorkshireYear of registration: 1959 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death:69 Volume no: 2D Page no: 40
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