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Rose- I don't have James and Henry in the same tree. In Henry's tree I have Annie Wilson Brown ( sister) born approx 1909 Thomas Brown born Oct-Nov- Dec quarter 1915 both in Barrow. But I have not searched for any other siblings Then comes Henry Jul-Aug-Sep quarter 1918 but born in Lancaster. I will order this birth certificate, Maiden name of mother was Wilson. I do have a James married to Emma M Brown as Henry's grandparents in 1891 Census AND in the 1901 census they show a Henry Brown living with them as a grandson but he is aged 12 so it cannot be Henry Briard Brown.( my father)

This is what you posted in response to my post

Yes i have done research and using the information from the marriage certificate and the 1911 Household Census I have located his birth details, and have tracked his antecedants back for 4 generations.

QuestIon:

If you are not 100% sure of his birth.........how can you have achieved this?

There is NO birth in England/Wales for Henry Briard Brown

patchem- I think we are on the same track, but I think I am going to have order Henry's birth cert.

Copied over, needs verification
Birth
1837 abt Wrentham, Suffolk, England
Baptism
1837 22 Jan Wrentham, Suffolk, England
Wrentham Parish Register of births 1837 no. 741; James son of Sarah Brown washer woman (bastard)
Residence
1841 6 Jun Age: 4 Wrentham, Suffolk, England
Residence
1851 30 Mar Age: 14
Covehithe, Suffolk, England
Un married: Ag Labourer
Military
1855 1 Mar Age: 18
Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Attested Gunner No 693 in Royal Regt of Artillery,3 Battn. Occupation at time of joining Fisherman
Military
1855 1 May Age: 18
Crimea
Between 1 May 1855 and 31 Mar 1857 he served 1yr 40 days at the Crimean war with 5 Battn, for which he received medal for Crimea & clasp for Sebastopol, and the Turkish war medal
Residence
1861 7 Apr Age: 24
New Granby Horse Artillery Barracks, Stoke Demerel, Devon
un married: Gunner Royal Artillery
Military
1865 30 Nov Age: 28
Ballincollig, Ierland
Proceedings of Regimental Board, in conformity to the Articles of War, for the purpose of verifying and recording the service conduct, character and cause of discharge of No 693 Gunner James Brown. He was found medically unfit to serve due to a hernia
Military
1866 26 Dec Age: 29
Cork, Ireland
Discharged from service on completion of 10 yrs 301 days. His intended place of residence; Wrentham, Suffolk.
Marriage to Mary Keilly
1866 bet Age: 29 Cork, Ireland Vol 20; page 98
Marriage
1866 Age: 29 Cork, Ireland
Residence
1871 2 Apr Age: 34 42 Crown Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
married: Labourer
Marriage to Emma Maria Oliver
1873 25 Jan Age: 36
Golcar, Huddesfield, West Riding Yorkshire, England
St Johns Parish Church. in the presence of William Heaton and Emily Dyson
Residence
1881 3 Apr Age: 44
51 Napier Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
married: Foundry Labourer
Residence
1891 5 Apr Age: 54
51 Napier St, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
married: General Labourer
Residence
1901 31 Mar Age: 64
10 Drake St, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
married: Labourer Steel Works
Death
1910 2 Mar Age: 73
41 Byron Street Barrow in Furness
Senile decay cardiac failure: Army Pensioner

If this is the James, 64, from 1901, being a soldier gets you around the country;
1861 England Census
James Brown Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Soldier Gender: Male
Where born: Wrentham, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Stoke Damerel County/Island: Devon Country: England
Occupation: Soldier
Registration district: Stoke Damerel Sub-registration district: Morice
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: A4 Piece: 1452
Folio: 51

He is in family trees on ancestry, and there are claims that his Mother was unmarried at the time of his birth, and he is showing as Wincup in 1851 (not 1841) as his mother married in 1839

Shirley posted a Brown/Wilson marriage in Lancaster in 1913, if you look at the births, the 2 Lancaster ones would look far more likely to belong to Shirley's

Births Mar 1914
BROWN Elizabeth E Wilson Lancaster 8e 1223
Births Dec 1915
BROWN Thomas Wilson Barrow F. 8e 1103
Births Sep 1917
Brown James Wilson Barrow F 8e 1003
Births Sep 1918
Brown Henry Wilson Lancaster 8e 836

Brown and Wilson are just too common for surnames.

LancsBMD puts the birth of Henry 1918 in Morecambe.

Rose

If these are siblings, then Henry was born very soon after James:

Births Dec 1915
BROWN Thomas Wilson Barrow F. 8e 1103

Births Sep 1917
Brown James Wilson Barrow F 8e 1003

Rose

If you are wondering why they moved around the country, you need to start investigating migrations of workers to find jobs etc
Presumably this is them:
1901 England Census
John Brown
Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Brown Mother's name: Emma Brown
Gender: Male Where born: Barrow, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Barrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Barrow in Furness Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 240 Piece: 4013 Folio: 28 Page Number: 48
James Brown 64 labourer steel works Wrantham Suffolk
Emma Brown 57 Hemingfield Yorkshire
William Brown 36 Yorks
Leonard Brown 27 Barrow, Lancs
John Brown 17
Henry Brown 12 grnson
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4013; Folio: 28; Page: 48.

Patchem,

FreeBMD has Mary incorrectly transcribed with Volume 8C .

Marriages Sep 1908
BROWN John Barrow F. 8e 1789
WILSON Mary Barrow F. 8e 1789

Rose

You have not got the birth certificate. You do not know it is him. (Though the french polisher seems fairly conclusive for census) It was wartime, strange things happen. Were his wife's parents living there?

You said that you searched for a marriage between Wilson and Brown around 1909.
The only one I can see is this one which is nowhere near Barrow, and you would not know that Wilson married Brown, or did you find another?
Marriages Jun 1908
BROWN John Edmonton 3a 1065
Souter Walter Edmonton 3a 1065
Taylor Elizabeth Mary A Edmonton 3a 1065
Wilson Mary Elizabeth Edmonton 3a 1065

Added:
Thanks, Rose.
Ignore that marriage.

ps so why do I have a Henry ( my father) being born in Lancaster?

From what I can see Briard is a predominately Jersey name I searched for him as Briard Brown, Briard but no success. I noticed in the 1911 census his sister was called Annie Wilson Brown. I made a guess that Wilson was her mothers maiden name. When I searched for a marriage between Wilson and Brown round about 1909 +or- there was only one combination. I traced Mary Wilson tree back a couple of generations and no trace of Briard there. If keeping the maiden name and married name in common ie Wilson Brown, is a trend then you would think there would be a Briard somewhere. I went back to 1881 census- Household record no trace. What puzzles me is that the whole Wilson Brown family history around that timeis in Barrow- earlier generations, from Suffolk Devon.

Does your research backwards give any clue as to where the 'Briard' comes from?

We can use the exact date of birth to search for his death - assuming the informant did know it accurately.

Just a point, if he was 27 in 1944, and that was accurate, then his date of birth is 1916/1917.
If he was born in 1918 (Sep quarter) and married at the beginning of 1944 he would be 25, not 27.

Sorry please read as I have not yet ordered a birth certificate.

As yet I have requested a copy of his birth certificate. I am waiting for a response to a story in the North West Evening Mail 21/03/13 seeking any information on Henry Brown. Here are the details I have. From a copy of the marriage certificate he is listed as Henry Briard Brown aged 27 ( in 1944) so his birth year would be 1917/18. His father was a John Brown described as French Polisher living in Barrow In Furness Lancs. One of the witness' was a Thomas Brown. The 1911 census provided John Brown French Polisher aged 27. His wife was Mary Brown married 2 years They have a child Annie Wilson Brown aged 2 I searched BMD for Thomas Brown with mothers maiden name of Wilson in Barrow in Furness. Thomas was born 1915 ref 8e vol 1103 I then searched BMD for Henry Brown mothers maiden name Wilson and found Henry ( no middle name) born 1918 ref 8e vol 836 He is showing as been born in Lancaster- a bit of an anomoly but the maiden name is right, the age is right so I think it is him. I confirmed that Mary Wilson married John Brown. If the story does not produce any results then I will order a copy of his birth certificate. With the exception of Henry all addresses are in Barrow In Furness.
Hope this helps

The birth that Shirley posted did not have a middle name, are we trying to find a death as Henry B or just Henry?
Could we have his date of birth, please?
Do you know about any of his siblings?
Thanks

Howard (the poster of this thread) was the only child of the marriage...........he is looking for his father's 'life' since 1946

Other than looking for children of the marriage and buying their birth certs to see the current address for each a the time , I cant think that anywhere online will you find iinfo of them from their marriage to their deaths.

If you have his birth cert have you looked for a death for him using his date of birth?