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Hilda's death in 1996 puts her born Nov 1918.

Rose

Found a death for John in 1992 so all of Violet's siblings are now dead.

Rose

Can't find a baptism of Hilda Dorothy in Montreal. Curious that Violet was born in Scotland but baptised in Montreal 5 years later!

I'm surprised that Michelle hasn't responded. I sent her a pm yesterday which was opened yesterday.

Michelle, I thought you'd be fascinated by the fact that Violer Maud was born in Gourock, Scotland but not baptised until 5 years later in Montreal, Canada. She lived in Montreal for quite a few years returning to England with mother & siblings. Did father die or was it a marriage break-up?

I really think you should contact Gordon who has her in his tree with place of birth as Gourock. Sounds like he might know more.

FAIRTHORN posted 8 Oct 2011 02:44

Name Violet M Turnbull
Year of Marriage 1953
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Fulham
Registration County London
Spouse's Surname Thomas
Volume Number 5C
Volume Page 1252

Spouse Match: Violet M TURNBULL married William E THOMAS


SADLY POSSIBLE
Name Violet M Thomas
Year of Registration 1961
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Marylebone
Registration County London
Age at Death: 40
Volume Number 5D
Volume Page 266

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I copied & posted the above direct to Michelle ( opened ) & I received no response either ? despite having her respond direct 3 times before ?


It seems the reason for the late baptism, is they baptised her new-born brother John at the same time.

As advised, Michelle to get it truly solved, is to buy the marriage certificate & see if it states her dad is John Archibald Turnbull & her DOB 19/11/1920

PLUS buy the death certificate, as this sadly, may be handy for genetic medical history.


Perhaps she & her mother are so sad that Violet died so young ?
. :-S

It is possible there are children from the THOMAS/TURNBULL marriage.
She could have gone back to Kent/mother Helena to give birth.

There are children born in Dartford Kent BUT there must be another Thomas/Turnbull marriage cos the births are ranged between 1947 to 1959 but cos of the names ( a single first, then 3, then just 2 ) it is possible the 2 names ones from 1957 may be a possible.

EDIT
TELEPHONE contact sent to Michelle
Violet's sister Lillian's daughter
She may have photos etc & be able to say if Violet had further children with William E Thomas

.

Hi Guys I actually went away for the weekend and could only open the messages on my phone but wasnt able to respond.. Thankyou for all your researching for me its very appreciated

Just to let you all know I have written to Lilian's daughter today - she should receive the letter tomorrow. I really hope this works and feel very nervous about it!! :-0

How about contacting Gordon on this site who has Violet in his tree?

Wow I am just looking at all the threads.... you have been doing lots of research for me.. Im sorry I havent sounded so appreciative.. So Violet was born in Scotland then moved to Canada and then came back again is that right??

Yes, that's right, Michelle, and very curious. Why was she baptised in Montreal and why 5 years after her birth? And why did mother & children return to England? Had father died in Montreal? I can't find his death. Now Gordon has her birth in Gourock, Scotland and I wonder if he knows more?

John Archibald looks to be on the electoral register in 1952 so he made it back to the UK.

This death fits:

Deaths Mar 1953
TURNBULL John A 60 Lambeth 5c 1693

Rose

Do contact Gordon.

I really think Violet had a son with William E Thomas in 195. Gordon also has this name in his tree.

Rose

"""There are children born in Dartford Kent BUT there must be another Thomas/Turnbull marriage cos the births are ranged between 1947 to 1959 but cos of the names ( a single first, then 3, then just 2 ) it is possible the 2 names ones from 1957 may be a possible.""""


Rose
If you check Gordon, he has BOTH children Wendy & William
( there is a William XXXXXXX odds are, this is William Thomas cos sadly remember they lost their mum in 1961 )

BUT can not see the connection with Gordon Born 1949, unless it is through who brought William & Wendy "up".


Still,
we can waiting until Michelle's cousin Sheryl answers her letter.

So happily Michelle can say to her Mum she has found a Half-brother & sister !!!
Not a bad 60th birthday present !



:-)

I really hope this is the case and my Mum will indeed have a happy 60th birthday. What is Gordon's surname so that I can look him up? Thanks again to all of you - you have been a wonderful help :-D

If you find a tree with Violet in with the owner Gordon just click on find out more and send a message

jax

Just click on "Search Trees" up above, type in Violet Turnbull. Scroll down to find the one born 1920, Gourock, click on "Find More" and you can send a message to Gordon.

If Gordon does not answer Michelle via GR
we have his home address so she can write direct to him

:-)

Fairthorn.. Please could you send me his address so I can write to him direct.. thank you very much ;-)

MICHELLE
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Zoe