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Fantastic very gratful to you for your efforts now just to tgey them on familty tree

Glad to have been of some assistance.

Two further pieces of info:

Mary Jane's parents marriage:

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
CHILTON Mary Ann Newcastle T. 10b 232
Hannigan Peter Newcastle T. 10b 232

Thomas William's parents marriage:

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
CRYLE Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 116
Smith Thomas William Newcastle T. 10b 116

Hi

Again sincere thanks for this great informayion. I can find no mention of my grandfather Thomas William in the 1911 census seems the family have dissapeared.

I am assuming that this is your grandfather:

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Smith Thomas William NewcastleT 10b 67

1891:
Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas W Smith
Mother's Name: Ellen Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle
Civil parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4192
Folio: 73
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas W Smith 37
Ellen Smith 35
Sarah A Smith 15
James C Smith 12
Ann P Smith 7
Thomas Smith 5
George H Smith 3

1901:

Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Smith
Mother's Name: Ellen Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 4774
Folio: 143
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Smith 47
Ellen Smith 45
James Smith 22
Ann Smith 17
Thomas Smith 15
George Smith 13
Charlotte Smith 9
John G Smith 5

I cannot spot him in the 1911 census, have you located him in that record?

This would appear to possibly be his death:

Name: Thomas W Smith
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1962
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Northumberland West
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 427

Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
HANNIGHAN Mary Jane Newcastle T. 10b 44
Smith Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 44

Based upon you stating that Mary Jane died in 1958 I had another look at birth records and this one looks quite interesting:

Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
Hanigan Mary Jane Newcastle T. 10b 135

Although transcribed as an "I" looking at the original it could easily be a "J":

1891:
Name: Mary I Hannigan
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Peter Hannigan
Mother's Name: Mary A Hannigan
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Civil parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4213
Folio: 106
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Hannigan 47
Mary A Hannigan 45
Mary I Hannigan 7

The 1901 census confirms that it was a "J":

1901:
Name: Mary Jane Hannigan
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Peter Hannigan
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Hannigan
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle
Civil parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: Shieldfield Christchurch
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 4788
Folio: 62
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Hannigan 57 born Ireland
Mary Ann Hannigan 55 born Newcastle
Mary Jane Hannigan 17
Kate Hammond 9

Thomas William Smith born 1885. in the Elswick District of newcastle. His farther was also Thomas William born in Wallsend. Grandad died sometime in th elate 60's or early to mid seventys nor sure.

Tom

Tom,

The Mary J Smith whose death was recorded in Newcastle, December Quarter in 1958 has an indicated birth year of 1885. Was that your paternal grandmother?

Name: Mary J Smith
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 7

What was your paternal grandfathers name?

Jonesey

Sorry I missed your previous not. Regarding my Dad, yes the information is correct and that his him

Tom

Jonesey

DOB close I have it as 1896 however she died 17th December 1958 so in that respect close but alas not close enough

Many thanks for your help most appreciated

Tom

Just a stab in the dark:

Is this your grandmothers death?

Name: Mary Jane Smith
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1895
Date of Registration: Jan 1991
Age at Death: 95
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 916

If so for some reason this is sticking in my mind as a possibility. No record of a corresponding birth and no obvious sign of a Mary Henegham marriage:

1911:
PAINTER, Catherine Wife Married F 33 1878 Yarm Yorkshire
PAINTER, Vera Daughter F 4 1907 West Hartlepool Durham
PAINTER, Thomas Son M 1 1910 West Hartlepool Durham
CAVANAGH, Owen Father In Law Widower M 70 1841 Retired Gas Works Labourer Co Sligo Easky Ireland
>>>HENEGHAN, Mary Servant Single F 15 1896 Servant Domestic West Hartlepooll Durham
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29603 Reference:
RG14PN29603 RG78PN1718A RD545 SD1 ED3 SN115

Registration District:
Hartlepool Sub District:
Hartlepool Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
West Hartlepool

Address:
12 Wharton Terrace West Hartlepool County:
Durham

Look on freebmd for the marriage of your grandparents........then buy the cert, which will tell you their declared ages and the names of both fathers (if known)

Was this your fathers birth registration?

Name: Thomas Smith
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hannigan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 284

If so as Lindsey has said note the spelling of his mothers maiden name.

You might do well to search with the spelling Hannigan

After making some great progress with my maternal side of the family Brennans and the Airleys. I am now starting on my dads side. One of his sisters was Joyce who married Allan H Donaldson in 1950. Anothe sister was Audrey who married Allan H Harding in 1948 and Evelyn who married George Woodward in 1937. My das mothers maiden name was Hannagan (Mary Jane) who was born I believe in Carlise Cumberland

Any help most apprciated

Tom Smith