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3 Oct 2011 23:14 |
After making some great progress with my maternal side of the family Brennans and the Airleys. I am now starting on my dads side. One of his sisters was Joyce who married Allan H Donaldson in 1950. Anothe sister was Audrey who married Allan H Harding in 1948 and Evelyn who married George Woodward in 1937. My das mothers maiden name was Hannagan (Mary Jane) who was born I believe in Carlise Cumberland
Any help most apprciated
Tom Smith
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Lindsey*
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3 Oct 2011 23:58 |
You might do well to search with the spelling Hannigan
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Jonesey
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4 Oct 2011 09:01 |
Was this your fathers birth registration?
Name: Thomas Smith Mother's Maiden Surname: Hannigan Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916 Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Inferred County: Cumberland Volume Number: 10b Page Number: 284
If so as Lindsey has said note the spelling of his mothers maiden name.
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Flick
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4 Oct 2011 09:11 |
Look on freebmd for the marriage of your grandparents........then buy the cert, which will tell you their declared ages and the names of both fathers (if known)
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Jonesey
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4 Oct 2011 09:36 |
Just a stab in the dark:
Is this your grandmothers death?
Name: Mary Jane Smith Birth Date: 12 Mar 1895 Date of Registration: Jan 1991 Age at Death: 95 Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Inferred County: Tyne and Wear Volume: 2 Page: 916
If so for some reason this is sticking in my mind as a possibility. No record of a corresponding birth and no obvious sign of a Mary Henegham marriage:
1911: PAINTER, Catherine Wife Married F 33 1878 Yarm Yorkshire PAINTER, Vera Daughter F 4 1907 West Hartlepool Durham PAINTER, Thomas Son M 1 1910 West Hartlepool Durham CAVANAGH, Owen Father In Law Widower M 70 1841 Retired Gas Works Labourer Co Sligo Easky Ireland >>>HENEGHAN, Mary Servant Single F 15 1896 Servant Domestic West Hartlepooll Durham RG number: RG14 Piece: 29603 Reference: RG14PN29603 RG78PN1718A RD545 SD1 ED3 SN115 Registration District: Hartlepool Sub District: Hartlepool Enumeration District: 3 Parish: West Hartlepool Address: 12 Wharton Terrace West Hartlepool County: Durham
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4 Oct 2011 11:54 |
Jonesey
DOB close I have it as 1896 however she died 17th December 1958 so in that respect close but alas not close enough
Many thanks for your help most appreciated
Tom
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4 Oct 2011 11:56 |
Jonesey
Sorry I missed your previous not. Regarding my Dad, yes the information is correct and that his him
Tom
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Jonesey
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4 Oct 2011 12:00 |
Tom,
The Mary J Smith whose death was recorded in Newcastle, December Quarter in 1958 has an indicated birth year of 1885. Was that your paternal grandmother?
Name: Mary J Smith Birth Date: abt 1885 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958 Age at Death: 73 Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 1b Page: 7
What was your paternal grandfathers name?
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Thomas
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4 Oct 2011 14:04 |
Thomas William Smith born 1885. in the Elswick District of newcastle. His farther was also Thomas William born in Wallsend. Grandad died sometime in th elate 60's or early to mid seventys nor sure.
Tom
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Jonesey
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4 Oct 2011 16:15 |
I am assuming that this is your grandfather:
Births Dec 1885 (>99%) Smith Thomas William NewcastleT 10b 67
1891: Name: Thomas Smith Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas W Smith Mother's Name: Ellen Smith Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle Civil parish: Westgate Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
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View image Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4192 Folio: 73 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Thomas W Smith 37 Ellen Smith 35 Sarah A Smith 15 James C Smith 12 Ann P Smith 7 Thomas Smith 5 George H Smith 3
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Name: Thomas Smith Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Smith Mother's Name: Ellen Smith Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Elswick Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
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View image Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 55 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 4774 Folio: 143 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Smith 47 Ellen Smith 45 James Smith 22 Ann Smith 17 Thomas Smith 15 George Smith 13 Charlotte Smith 9 John G Smith 5
I cannot spot him in the 1911 census, have you located him in that record?
This would appear to possibly be his death:
Name: Thomas W Smith Birth Date: abt 1885 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1962 Age at Death: 77 Registration district: Northumberland West Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 1b Page: 427
Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%) HANNIGHAN Mary Jane Newcastle T. 10b 44 Smith Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 44
Based upon you stating that Mary Jane died in 1958 I had another look at birth records and this one looks quite interesting:
Births Mar 1884 (>99%) Hanigan Mary Jane Newcastle T. 10b 135
Although transcribed as an "I" looking at the original it could easily be a "J":
1891: Name: Mary I Hannigan Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Peter Hannigan Mother's Name: Mary A Hannigan Gender: Female Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne Civil parish: Byker Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
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View image Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Byker ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4213 Folio: 106 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Peter Hannigan 47 Mary A Hannigan 45 Mary I Hannigan 7
The 1901 census confirms that it was a "J":
1901: Name: Mary Jane Hannigan Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Peter Hannigan Mother's Name: Mary Ann Hannigan Gender: Female Where born: Newcastle Civil parish: Byker Ecclesiastical parish: Shieldfield Christchurch Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
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View image Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Byker ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 19 Piece: 4788 Folio: 62 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Peter Hannigan 57 born Ireland Mary Ann Hannigan 55 born Newcastle Mary Jane Hannigan 17 Kate Hammond 9
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Thomas
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4 Oct 2011 18:06 |
Hi
Again sincere thanks for this great informayion. I can find no mention of my grandfather Thomas William in the 1911 census seems the family have dissapeared.
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Jonesey
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4 Oct 2011 20:23 |
Glad to have been of some assistance.
Two further pieces of info:
Mary Jane's parents marriage:
Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%) CHILTON Mary Ann Newcastle T. 10b 232 Hannigan Peter Newcastle T. 10b 232
Thomas William's parents marriage:
Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%) CRYLE Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 116 Smith Thomas William Newcastle T. 10b 116
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Thomas
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4 Oct 2011 23:11 |
Fantastic very gratful to you for your efforts now just to tgey them on familty tree
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