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Stillborn children were not registered prior to 1927.

Stillbirth registration was introduced on 1 July 1927 to help protect infant life, provide a valuable source of statistical information and to give parents the opportunity to have their child officially acknowledged. A stillborn child is a child born after the 24th week of pregnancy who did not breathe or show any other signs of life. When a child is stillborn the midwife or doctor will issue a medical certificate of stillbirth which will be used to register the stillbirth.

When stillbirth registration was introduced the the age limit was the end of the 28th week of pregnancy, not the 24th (as it is now). This is a relatively recent change following the greatly increased survival rates of premature babies.

Current GRO policy on obtaining stillbirth certificates: "Due to the sensitive nature of stillbirth registrations, the procedure for ordering a certificate of the entry differs from other types of certificates. We will only send out the application form after we have been contacted by phone or in writing by the mother or father (if he is named on the certificate). In cases where the parents are deceased, a brother or sister can apply if they can provide their parents' dates of death."

I wish I'd taken note of the thread but there was an instance were a stillborn baby's death was registered. The poster had the birth from the stillborn register.

Rose

Sorry, it is such a sad subject

But if the child died within the 6 weeks you are allowed to register a birth, is that possibly why there is no birth certificate for the 1942 Michael J Singleton.

yes I was thinking stillborn first as an explanation for what the mother said ... then I thought to check deaths for infant Singletons and then for the Ault birth too ... so either one, stillborn or death in infancy, would still be possible it seems ...

I never thought of that chrissiex :-S

sadly,
but these will not be stillborn
cos as far as I knew, if they breathed ( sorry )
this is judged a live birth & a birth certificate can be issued.

I wonder whether there might have been a birth that could be called a stillbirth rather than a miscarriage ( although I know that this should be in a separate closed register )

I found this death registration

Name: Michael J Singleton
Birth Date: abt 1942
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1942
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Wharfedale
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 160

but I do not see a good match in the births ... the only one is a birth in early 1942 in Wales that would not be the right family ( mother's surname )

although if that birth had been close to the date of death it would be too late for a birth to the marriage ...

a child born after Michael's death in July 1941 could have been born in very late 1941 or even early 1942 and so been not yet 1 year old at the time of the above death

I wonder whether it would be worth getting that certificate to check ?


along those lines another thought ... if the child was born before the marriage

birth
(Male) Singleton Jan-Feb-Mar 1940 Birmingham Warwickshire (mother Singleton)
death
Male Singleton abt 1940 Jan-Feb-Mar 1940 Birmingham

the mother's name is given as Singleton ... if she had given that name to be sure the child was named for his father ... ?


oh ... and further along those lines, the birth that Fairthorn found ...

birth
Thomas Ault Jan-Feb-Mar 1941 Manchester Lancashire (mother Ault)
death
Thomas Ault abt 1941 Jan-Feb-Mar 1941 Manchester Lancashire


to be sure whether any of them was a child of this couple the death certificates would be needed

http://www.cwgc.org/admin/files/cwgc_runnymede.pdf

http://www.wyrdlight.com/stories/airforcerunnymede.htm

Your friend is not short of data on the internet

It looks a beautiful building.
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Hi all you great people
This is a reply I have had from my friend in Australia, I thought you might like to see it

Marj


Hello Marj, thank youand the team on GR, for finding that information for me, that is definately my Moms husband. I don't know where Runnymede is but I'll try to find it next time I am in England. I had told my mom that I would visit his memorial, and I will, I'll leave a rose there from her :-) I have been trying to work out why she lied to me about having a brother, I'll never know now but she did tell me that she named him Michael after his Dad, and I think that she loved her husband so much she wanted his memory to live on, so she invented a son.

Love from Denise xoxoxox

Hi Marj,

Thanks for the update. Explains why we could never find find the birth.

Why not start a new thread so we can help you find your rellies?

Rose

First of all many many thanks all for all your hard work

My friend who as I said lives in Australia, lost her sister last friday, and rang her aunt in Woverhampton to tell her, and asked her about her brother, well it seems her mother told a few fibs she miscarried, and the baby was never born, oh she was married to Michael Singleton but just never bore a live child, all I can say is from her nad me thanks for all your hard work and sorry about this

You have all be wonderful in helping me Fairthorn I am based in England :-) :

Once again so sorry and my friend has asked to to say thanks for all your hard work

Sure wish I could find my ancestors so quick

Thanks all Marj

& of course the birth certificate will say, for definite, if he was adopted.

If Marjorie is also based in Australia but she has a friend in the UK, it would be easier if they ordered the certificate in the way I mentioned to Marjorie.
Cos if they have their doubts, they will not be inclined to spent the money.

Plus. when confirmed, perhaps a letter placed in his adoption file with Australian contact details ?

thanks Fairthorn I agree it seems the only likely possibility although the given name is not Michael, I had looked at it too

and I would recommend that the friend put that information in her tree

of course only the certificate would show who the mother was and she can order that certificate

under that name there is only one marriage that seems at all likely, 1965 in Derbyshire ........ but I think that couple was a generation older

As Marjorie has not answered my PM
I will sent it to you with a link to this thread, so you understand the PM.

I think it is a good possible as the mother's surname is not particularly common.



:-)

So ... your friend is in Australia ?

I wonder whether finding family of first husband Michael could help ... probably not as any siblings he had would be deceased and it would be doubtful that their children would know anything of Michael's child

this is his parents' marriage

Marriages Dec 1913
Singleton Edward Smith Liverpool 8b 182
Smith Mary T Singleton Liverpool 8b 182

Michael was born in Liverpool in 1913

other Singleton-Smith children born in Liverpool were

Sarah A. last quarter 1914
Lily, first quarter 1915
... but those two could not be children of the same parents so there were two Singleton-Smith couples having children in Liverpool ...

maybe Louisa, last quarter 1919 West Derby
... who would clash with
Martha and Mary T, first quarter 1920 Liverpool

my money would be on those twins as being Michael's sisters given the name Mary T

so then Catherine 1923 West Derby is probably not a sister

and Margaret J 1925 may be a sister


do you know the people who have

Michael Singleton 1927 Liverpool

in their trees here at genesreunited? That is your Michael ... his birth was registered as Smith in 1913 and re-registered as Singleton in 1927 ( he is also in two trees as born in 1913 )

there are also people with various combinations of Martha, Mary and Margaret ( see my list above ) in their trees and the names of the tree owners for all of them and Michael ( 1913 or 1927 ) all overlap

it could be worthwhile to try to contact them to see whether they know anything of Michael's first marriage and child



could you or Fairthorn tell us the nature of the information that was sent to you and whether it seemed to fit ?

Hi all

Yes you have the right Mother and Father, and Anne did remarry to Ronald Cook in the 1940's , and by him she had five daughters, Anne and her daughters went to Austrail when one of the daughters was 15, not sure of the year sorry, my friend said her Mother would never talk about her first marrige and they only found out a few years ago when she was ill that the five girls had a brother

And thats why my frind asked me to help, she thinks that the boy was put up for adoption as he grandparents could to look after a baby.

Hope this makes sence

Marj

Fairthorn could you explain ... possible birth, possible current contact information ... ?????

Fairthorn,

Can you send it to me also? Just curious.

Rose

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Cook is correct ... 5 Cook-Ault births Wolverhampton starting 1944

so Ault was her birth name

possibly

Name: Annie E Ault
Mother's Maiden Surname: Maddocks
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 80


there is only one birth in Wolverhampton 1938-1942 with mother Ault and that was a girl

there were boys with mother Ault born in Staffordshire in 1938 and 1942 but they were not Michael or Singleton

?

Sheila,

Looks like she married a Cook though.

Rose