General Chat

I think most people being critical of his actions is from his lucid statement, into this tragic case,,,,,,,,,**,that the man who did this isnt the man you see today***,,,,,,,,,has he recovered?..

People do these actions all over the world daily,,,,,,,,,but we never hear of them,,,,plus there are countless actions where people have gone into schools /workplaces on a killing rampage,why? only people fully trained in this field may have a form of answer,,,,,,,,,,,

But I hope this dont open any gates for *sound* minded people to use in their defence..

sadly there are always people who will jump on the bandwagon so to speak and pull the mental illness stroke

It's already been established that men who kill their children most often have histories of domestic violence and child abuse. This new study pointed out that these men kill their children in order to punish their ex's for leaving them. Mothers who kill their children don't do it to punish their ex's. They most often have mental disorders, not histories as perpetrators of domestic violence. These men who murder their children don't do it because they are fighting for custody. They do it, as this research states, to punish their ex's. While rare, it is still a problem that needs to be addressed. Existing research has already established that mothers and children are at greatest harm in the period of time shortly after a breakup.

Kay I don't think he has "recovered" he might be having a clearer minded period in his life though. I'm sure his state of mind without close medical help will have dips where he will not cope again. He'll probably try to end his life one day. He'll remember what he has done and won't be able to live with that. His state of mind is obvious he isn't well.

I agree Carole - I feel that at the first opportunity he gets he will kill himself, and then his parents will have lost three sons to suicide - doesn't bear thinking about - the whole episode is tragic for all concerned and the repercussions will never go away

will add,,even the *experts* in this field dont fully understand and can never know if anyone under their care will at any given time act outside what has become their *normal* behavoiur pattern . ........most *sound minded people* would of course couldnt comprehend any such actions,but there is always a -*-BUT WHAT IF*<,



***I think everyone of us has the potential to have a moment of insanity,,,,its such a thin line,,,,,,,,,****

Very well said Ann, My daughter has M-S, most
folk including nhs dont recognise it as a major
illness,
years ago I had a very bad breakdown,




I was given pills that knocked me out, I was like a
zombie , other folk told me to snap out of it!!
I do pray that your paper prints it.

Jean x

My doctor would only prescribe me a small amount of drugs as they thought I was going to OD or somthing. Of course I said I wouldn't!! But I did see a good opertunity to jump!! Didn't have the courage though. Still here feeling better now, but I know it'll be back in six months a year five years ? But it will creep back without I realise, and then there will be a long wait for help. And my oh will suffer again. x

Ann, re your remarks about cannabis. I have a much loved family member who is known to have used cannabis when she was in her teens and also maybe later. she is in her 30s now and for the past 10 years has been subject to depression and other mental illness culminating in a diagnosis of Schizophrenia

I wish they would stop saying it is not harmful

Ann
Glos

Most parents...Male or female...would willingly give their own life to protect their child, give their child life....
but sometimes the 'best' option for doing that , in the mind of someone with a mental illness or 'temporary instability' if I can term it that way, is to 'take your child with you' so that the world which has hurt you can not hurt them the same way.

'Despair' (whether caused by mental illness or circumstances) and 'evil' are two very different things....hopefully there will always be people within the medical and legal professions to recognise this.


Rose
xx

Well said Rose x

cannabis can and does affect people in diffents way, proven facts ,

,from paranoria to deep depression,to ??.........but effects can not show till long time after-----------..depending I supose what type is smoked and over how long.............***..its not a harmless drug for some**

I mentioned on the other thread that when I worked at our local psychiatric hospital a man was admitted who had drugged his little girl and thrown her off the Severn Bridge. He had got things very distorted in his mind and felt the world was too wicked a one for her to grow up in and as he loved her so much that's what he did. Incomprehensibe to many I am sure. I met him on numerous occasions and can only say he was an absolutely lovely guy - if kept on medication. As soon as he strarted to recover and realise what he had done he had to be sedated because he could not cope with the reality of it. The media hounded him and virtually sat outside the hospital gates reporting for TV and radio. Had he been suffering from cancer or any other illness d'you imagine they would have done that? I don't think so.

here in THanet the mental health teams allow you so many weeks then you get discharged. my depression is worse now but l dont get any help just keep taking the tablets, some times l wonder what the point is but some how manage to carry on. no thanke to the health services down here now if l broke a leg l would get looked after till it was better and l coukd walk !!!

I want to word my reply carefully to this thread, so will do it later when I am home from work,
Such a difficult subject.

Caz xxx

I agree entirely I have suffered.. no signs outwardly but who knows what goes on in side, depression is awful thing people just say get on with it, ok everyone has the blues odd days! Try having it everyday, I dont condone what Dad has done Ive always said if you want to top yourself do it on your own , not with your children, BUT I can understand the mental torment that Guy is going through, but thats one for the Doctors, The Judge was right give him some help, he will suffer all his life for what he has done to his son.
Davex

well I really hope that everyone who has depression will fight to get good health care - I am very fortunate in that I have an excellent G.P. - I was shocked yesterday when I dropped off my repeat prescription for my anti-depressants to find that the surgery now houses it's own pharmacy!! Could not believe my eyes

Ann I'd just like to say that I totally agree with what you have said in your letter, in your original post.

I'd also like to say that I agree with what Gwynne said as well, regarding the mother not being to blame.

I am so pleased that people are coming on this thread to give their views - it is really good to have healthy discussions about things like this and everyone has something different to say and I think we can all learn so much from each other

Spring time if he was diagnosed after the tragedy that is tragic, cos if he had been diagnosed before, what happened might not have happened! Just shows lack of support if his family thought he was mental and didn't help him