General Chat

can i just add pls.from day one of this,muffy has followed everything,shes checked /double checked .
and on many occasions has said,get ready for them to say this /get ready for that.and shes always been correct.so .....everyday i ask well what do you think.and you can bet your bottom dollar shes right.
so im sticking with muff on this.
i just wish it could all get solved one way or the other.xx

Arrested for neglect? For leaving your child in a supposedly child-friendly area full of similar people, and checking every half hour. I admit, I wouldn't do it, never did, but my parents left me at home for 4 hours every Friday to go to the pub. No, the shouldn't have done, but they did, and nobody batted any eyelid.

It wasn't neglect, it was unwise, risky, in retrospect wrong, but not neglect. We can all do things wrong as parents but it doesn' mean we are neglectful.

I know nothing more about the McCanns than anyone else. Can't pass any comment.But checking on your kids every half hour is not neglect. Like I said, unwise, risky. Different from neglect.

M

i would just like to add to the thread just been posted hmmmmm re:Arrested for neglect? For leaving your child in a supposedly child-friendly area full of similar people, NO PLACE ON EARTH IS CHILD FRIENDLY THERE ARE EVIL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE...therefore in my personal opinion you are very nieve margaret..x

Leaving the children of that age is neglect according to the NSPCC's book 'Home Alone'


Sue

Irrelevant whether it was child friendly area or not....the parents were too far away in case of fire or accident,they could not see the door properly, which was unlocked, in half an hour a child could wander off, choke,suffocate, anything....even a baby monitor would have been something,if they were as close as they say it should have worked!

Every parent knows it is hard work and you have to often go without the freedoms 'child free' couples enjoy, like dinners out without arranging babysitters!

Rosex

I am not at all naive (or however it is spelt). There are lots of evil people about, but there are also lots who are not evil, and if you go through life with that view you would never be able to do anything without fear of attack. It would ruin your life.

We all know what is the best in life, but that doesn't mean we do it, and it doesn't mean we are reckless or neglectful for not doing so. We drink alcohol, we shouldn't but we do, we smoke, we shouldn't but we do, we don't go to the gym, we buy ready meals with too much salt in them, we drive over the speed limit, we watch too much telly, we don't go to the dentist every six months, we drive our 5-seater car with 6 people in it, we do all sorts of things we shouldn't do but it doesn't make us criminals, it makes us human. Madeilene McCann could have been in her own bedroom at home in Leicester, with her parents downstairs watching telly, and someone could have climbed in her bedroom window and taken her. Is it neglectful that they left the bedroom window open?

I'm not saying leaving the kids alone was right, I personally could never have done it, but I am regarded as a real fusspot amongst my friends where security is concerned, and I know lots of very caring parents wouldn't have batted an eyelid at doing what they did. If that is neglectful, then I know a lot of neglectful people.

I can pass no more comment on this case (though I probably will!), as we weren't there, we don't know the McCanns, we don't know if they often left their children at home while they nipped to the pub (I doubt it), we really haven't a clue. Yes, it is possible that the mother had a tantrum, did something terrible to the child, and dad helped to cover it up, but then why would they want to bring it so much into the public arena? If they had not done that, the case would have been closed by the Portugese authorities weeks ago, but they have kept it alive.

I don't know, none of us do. If it turns out the McCanns are responsible, I will eat my words, though all I have actually said is that leaving your kids in an apartment a short distance away and checking on them every half hour is not neglectful. A child snatcher could have done that even with them in the apartment.

I'm actually more interested in the number of people they seemed to know at the resort, I hope they've all been investigated properly, cos they are people who KNEW the kiddies were on their own in the apartment.

I think we are all upset and confused about this case, and I don't think any of us have any real idea of the truth. We just have to trust the authorities to do their job.

It's horrible,isn't it?

Regards

Margaret

as a responsable parent i would find it very irresponsable to leave 1 let alone 3 BABIES on there own for more than one minute in a foreign country or in my own country . the welfare and upbringing of my children come 1st to my social life and own enjoyment . i would of thought that would apply to 90% of other parents too or am i nieve too??

I have stayed away from threads about Maddy, but now feel I need to say something.

Unless there is an offical press release from the Portugese police, I would take everything with a grain of salt.

It has been stared on this thread that the DNA evidence is a full match, a 99% match and an 80% match to Madeline. Where is this information coming from?

If the 80% is to be taken as fact, then that still leaves a 20% chance that there is no match.
I am not a DNA expert so I can not comment on the procedure/outcome/probability of such tests.

IF the parents had anything to do with the death (I don't belive that they did and that Maddie is still alive), how would they have been able to concealed a body for nearly a month in a hot climate? The natural process is that a body decomposes. That is unless the body is frozen, very unlikely in this case. Anyone who has smelt death knows that the odor lingers, surely someone would have been alerted if this was the case.

With all the media frenzy around this case, I'm sure that they did not have a time when they were not hounded by photogs and reporters.


Were the sniffer dogs brought in to check out the vehicle?

There are still a lot of questions left unanswered.

Until there is an official statement, everything is speculation.

Deb

did anybody see the news report about the 14 year old girl that went missing after an argument with her parents. The father was distraught in front of the cameras. There has been no sign of that from the McCann family. Yes they are professional people but I would have thought they would have broken down by now.

just heard that dna says gerry may not be maddies father?

jet

I have changed the word murderers for killers, but still refuse to be swept along on this tide of speculation.
Until we get facts directly from the police and not the journalists interpretation of information from unknown sources........there will be no further "news."

Jet...............all the children were conceived by IVF........and what difference would that make anyway?

Presumably that "news" has also come from an unknown source...................which can be as unreliable as village gossip.

With just an 80% match this could easily be the twins blood....... anyone given this some thought.

Much happiness
Debi

This is what has been reported on the BBC this morning. Nobody on here knows the truth it is all speculation.
I remember the Sally Clark case and at the time felt she was not guilty of her babies deaths. The press had her guilty and awful things were printed about her e.g. alchololic etc. It was only the determination of friends who eventually were able to prove her innocence.
All we can do is wait and hope.

Portuguese police have played down claims that Madeleine McCann's blood was found in her parents' hire car. The national director of the police force handling the investigation said in a televised debate that police had received some test results but that these do not provide such precision as has been reported.

He also said he did not foresee any moves to impose stricter bail conditions on the McCanns
Win

How do we know they have'nt broken down in tears - they don't have to perform in front of the camera - they are prefessional people!! Personally l would have, l would be a wreck, but because they have'nt it does'nt make them suspects. And now that this report has come out from the Portugese Police it may help in realising that the papers just want to sell the b----y stories. l still say
Innocent until proven guilty!!!!

jude

I belong to neither the pro McCann or the anti McCann lobby.
However, I have just been for petrol and was quite shocked at the cover pages of the British tabloids on sale at the garage.
(Shocked that it was there on the front pages, rather than being shocked by the claims they were making, which are old theories and speculations which have been around for some time.)
The newspapers seem to want to run with the hare AND chase with the hounds.
I still try to keep an open mind, whilst sifting through all the millions of words that continue to be produced daily. There is much speculation, many alleged sources, but only a few facts.

Jay

Hi

This may have been said but this car was it the same one that took them to the airport?
if so why was it not impounded.

Just because they have not cried in front of they press does not make them guilty,I think they will be dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.But the press are happy to just pick away at them.

kate

I actually brought up the same points as Deb from Vancouver as pretty puzzling. Hyperthetical scenario: child dies in apartment. Where in the apartment do they hide the body? they can't walk outside with her and within a short time the Police and everyone else is searching both inside and outside the apartment, so no body could have been there then. OK - how and where did they dispose of her albeit temporarily? There are only a couple of choices - body in cold temperature - freezer or buried. How and where would they have access to a freezer big enough to hold a body and how would they gain access to a spade or some such in order to bury a body. By this time the world and his wife had their eyes on them. They could hardly march into the local hardware and buy a spade !! If, 25 days later, they retrieve the body, how do they manage to get it into the boot of the car unseen? Like everyone else, I am completely perplexed by this whole case and as I said before something just hasn't felt 'right' from the start. It just doesn't 'sit well' with me and never has BUT I can't say why not, just a feeling and I am not pointing a finger of Guilty or Innocent towards the McCann's. I just don't know what to think anymore other than I have this awful feeling that she is no longer alive. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

None of the Portugese papers so far today that I've read have said the DNA was 100%. Don't know where Sky got that from but it's not a Portugese report rehashed as far as I can see xx

How many times have the friends been interviewed? Does anyone know?
The reason I ask is I havent heard any of them speak out, only family who werent there at the time.
The friends or possibly 'bar staff' must know a lot about times etc.

I dont think anyone could go away and come back acting 'normal' after harming their child.
Just a thought.


Marion

that's what i was thinking marion i haven't heard anything really about the friends being interviewed,

jet:)