General Chat

I want to believe in everyone elses opinion....but I know that Pat in her circles is right...We're born..we die..we leave memories and lessons learnt. We pass these lessons learnt on to our siblings..thats it!, dust to dust......but WHY? Theres gotta be more!

Pat I was thinking yesterday that I should find out about this medicine wheel business. I haven't investigated that yet.

I will just reiterate what I said in my earlier post: Apart from the obvious solid matter we are made of, we are also ENERGY. Scientific fact, Energy does not die, it changes!!!!!! Vivienne

As an example ... When my eldest daughter was just starting to talk, her childminder took her to an unfamiliar town. The childminder was keeping up the flow of chatter and asked my daughter in the buggy where they should go for Peppermint teabags. My daughter pointed with great conviction to an old building across and up the highstreet, and became increasingly agitated wanting to go that way. The childminder humoured the toddler and when they got there found out it used to be a grocery store, old fashioned wooden counters and all. There were many other occasions when my childminder would remark 'She's been before, that one'. But then, this is also the same toddler that would complain about about the nice old man and lady who would come and watch and smile at her in her cot, then walk past me and down the landing when I came into the room. I never saw a thing. My youngest is now at the same age. She has an invisible monkey in her room. That seems pretty normal in comparison.

I believe I was made by God, that I am saved from eternal damnation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and that, when I die, my soul will live on with Him forever.

I believe that the person goes on in the spirit world. I am going to see a medium in novenber he is qiute a famous one too, cant wait!!!!!!

'There are more things on Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy...' Who said that? Jeffrey Archer? Interesting to see yet more bickering about something that we will all find the answers to, sooner or later - the later the better, of course! Surprised to see Len donating so little - he normally helps to put everyone in their places by his truly in-depth research. However, I do agree with his little epithet - there is too much information to the contrary to deny that there is something to look forward to after our corporeal death. Oddly enough, I tend to think that the idea of reincarnation is not as daft as many make it to be. It would be interesting to discover what the 'rules' of reincarnation are - do we have to make amends for past misdemeanours, or is it random? My beliefs are along the lines of Jayvee's, though I do not hold with the 'ultimate' resurrection - will those who died of old age be resurrected in their frail, withered bodies? Will the presently-disabled return in their broken bodies? Like Wendy (and Len), I will not ridicule a person for their beliefs, but do ask that they present a cogent argument to support them - merely to state that 'it's all rubbish!' does nothing to expand anyone's mind. Rob

I have heard it said that the life we live on this earth is Purgatory

Plato regarded the soul as being like the brain but without the physical properties; a rational, free-floating eternal intelligence. He regarded God in the same light but omnipotent. Many cosmologists now concede that the universe cannot be explained by mathematics but can only be the product of a vast intelligence It is beginning, according to scientists, to become apparent that we do have souls although perhaps it is more p.c. to refer to this intelligence as “mind or consciousness”. So far, science has been unable to define consciousness. Evidence is slowly emerging that this mind/soul/consciousness is NOT a brain function but is capable of leaving the body for periods, sometimes returning. This is the inference of the 5 independent reports referred to elsewhere. There are other sources. It is not a great leap of logic to suppose that the period may extend to infinity i.e. when the body no longer sustains life and is beyond resuscitation. A professor of psychology at City University (London) described the power of mind/consciousness as “ a subtle energy field that, as yet, we can’t measure but which can, in various ways, interact between living organisms” The mind may also contact and influence other minds instantaneously, irrespective of distance (Distant Intentionality). This ability may account for other phenomena such as hypnosis, spiritual healing, clairvoyance, premonitions and so on. It may also affect inanimate things. If it can do this whilst within a living brain, why not after separation (or liberation)? So is this mind an independent spirit which may still have intelligent thought after departing from a body? May it still have an interest in its living kith and kin and perhaps seek to influence or comfort them? And could it return to a different, unborn body? That would be re-incarnation.. Nor is it beyond reasoning, based on published scientific papers, that a mind separated from a body under traumatic or unexpectedly violent circumstances may be unable to adapt to the change and be left in a void or “time warp”. Ghosts did someone say? If there is a God and he gave us free-will and the power to think, would it be churlish not to do so? Len Ps I copied and pasted this from my thread 'Ghosts in the head or bats in the belfrey'. There is much other material in Tracy Blackburn's thread 'Life after death - does anyone believe?'

The body dies BUT does the spirit?? and where does it go ?? how can you explain the feeling you have been somewhere before when you have not been there in your present lifetime ?? Too many questions that cannot be answered. So the spirit/soul must survive until it finds a body to inhabit. .. Well thats my theory

I agree with Wendy and Jayvee. 'It is appointed once for man to die and then the judgement.' David

Aha! Prodded you into action then, Len! Yes, God is, and He did give us free will - we must use it! Rob

interesting debate and so far we haven't all fell out

Robert We must stop meeting like this......... The reason I have not gone into this in more depth is that, unless someone comes up with new ideas, I can only repeat what has already been covered, fairly comprehensively, in the two threads that I mentioned - that anyone can go to if they are interested. Regards Len

I'm with you Malc!! How many of us dream and then look down at our costumes???? I know i have done this! and it doesnt go with todays fashions!!! All my vivid dreams have been in roman toga's, or poor folk costumes 1890's etc!!! analysis dreams is fascinating stuff Karen

I once paid £70 to be regressed by a lady hypnotist at her house in Aylesbury. Two other people, complete strangers to one another, also took part in the experience which was spread over a week-end, with mid-day meals provided. Each of the subjects took a turn at being regressed whilst the other two witnessed the session and made notes, as well as having it tape-recorded. I was regressed to the year 1340 and was staggered by the amount of information I gave of the period about which I am sure I had no previous knowledge. History was not a suject that interested be up until then. len

i often wonder if your reincarnated how come your spirit speaks to medium, but praps its cos you spirit lives on but your soul moves to a new person, dunno

A lot of you have already indicated my views. I believe to a certain extent. I have read a lot on the subject and believe that some are reincarnated because they have left certain things unfinished that are of extreme importance to them. For example one book took a young girl back through several lives and in each one she either bore children and lost them or for whatever reason could not conceive. Each time her spirit returned it was with the intent to have children and live long enough to see them fulfil their lives dreams. Authors Edgar Case and Jess Stern were strong believers in reincarnation and supernatural events. If you can find anything on these authors and are interested in the subject have a read.

Good to see your debating juices flowing, Len. One interesting thought - what if the spiritual world is not temporally linked to the physical world (the one we all know - erm, maybe we all THINK we know)? Reincarnation could then take place at any period in history; some may live the same life over again (hopefully getting it right, this time!); others may leap forward (so your last life WAS in 600BC, Pauline); while others may go back, and become the great inventors of their time. One other thought - reincarnation makes more sense of the biblical threat of 'the sins of the fathers being visited upon the children.' To punish a generation for faults not their own does not seem just; to punish a reincarnated spirit for his misdemeanours in past lives does. Rob

I am afraid, that as a christian and a psychologist, i believe that Reincarnation cannot account for itself. Why are our souls imprisoned in bodies? Is it the just punishment for evils we committed in past reincarnations? But why were those past reincarnations necessary? For the same reason. But the beginning of the process that justly imprisoned our souls in bodies in the first place—this must have antedated the series of bodies. How could we have committed evil in the state of perfect, pure, heavenly spirituality? Further, if we sinned in that paradise, it is not paradisical after all. Yet that is the state that reincarnation is supposed to lead us back to after all our embodied yearnings are over. If the answer is given that our bodies are not penalties for sin but illusions of individuality, the pantheistic One becoming many in human consciousness, no reason can possibly be given for this. Indeed, Hinduism calls it simply lila, divine play. What a stupid game for God to play! If Oneness is perfection, why would perfection play the game of imperfection? All the world’s sins and sufferings are reduced to a meaningless, inexplicable game.