General Chat

Jayvee, I don't think anyone is having a go at you..... we are just stating our points too!!!

Hasn't this thread strayed a little from the point? I didn't think that whether people were religious or not came into it. David sounds like a thoroughly nice man who, if there is a heaven, I'm sure would be welcomed into it with open arms. Unless perhaps he has murdered someone and I don't know (or is about to:)) Chrissie x

It was probably me you were having a dig at, Roxanne. But that's OK. It's just that I cannot see the point of believing in something unless you wholeheartedly believe it to be true ! Jesus said ' I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No-one comes to the Father but by Me'. I, for one, am not going to argue with Him !!

Rox.... no problem babe, wasn't thinking that at all just clarifying my position!! And no i don't belong to an organised religion either!! :O)

Roxanne, i have faith too and i am 100% commited to my beliefs, but I am unable to prove them as fact.... although that doesn't stop me believing them and I don't want anyone to think I am knocking beliefs at all, because i am not, I am just stating that they are not PROVEN FACTS.

Jayvee..... you are right, it is YOUR belief and you have the right to state it as your fact but the word belief in the dictionary is described as... be·lief ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-lf) n. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons. Not once does it state it as FACT.... and if david believes in Jesus but doesn't change his lifestyle does that mean that his belief is untrue? God made man, God made earth.... he made straight people and gay people, so no-one has the right to state that he won't go on to eternal life!

Diana - I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God therefore I KNOW that I will inherit eternal life through the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross - as will anyone else who accepts Him as their Saviour. It's no use having a belief that's not 100% - anything less is just a hope.

David.... I'm coming with you babe cos i don't disagree with your lifestyle! Us SLOUGH people must stick together and you just know you lurve the colour PINK! :O) Jayvee.... Although you like to believe that you know what will happen, you still have to agree its a belief and not FACT! So in fact you could well be wrong! None of us can hand on heart gaurantee what happens! I would like to add that i do believe there is life after death, I do believe in a God but I am never gonna know for sure if that is the case until I leave this mortal land.

Morfydd, I beg to differ ! Those of us who have accepted Christ as our Saviour DO know what will happen when our earthly lives come to an end.

As I have said before on a similar thread David, God made us all, so I hardly think he would turn you away for being who he made you. None of us know what will happen to us when our end comes, so why can't people let us live our lives the way we wish. m.

Lol Ginny - like it! 'She' didnt happen to enjoy a ciggie as well did 'she'? Jacqui

There are those who believe that Jesus was black because he called everyone 'brother' and couldn't get a fair trial. Some say that he was Italian because he talked with his hands, drank alot of wine and used olive oil alot. Personally I think that he was a woman because he was expected to feed a hoard at a minute's notice with no food in stock and he spent most of his life trying to get a message across that MEN just didn't get.

Hi Jacqui Hope you are well. Did you see the booking I made on page 4 please? Want to make sure I get a good seat:)) Chrissie xx

Elaine - we smokers will not have to hang out of the windows of the train. We have our own superior carriages already and waiting. Non-smokers can stick to their own part of the train, which is prepared for them with aerosols etc! lol Why do you assume it's going to be hot where we are going? are you assuming that we aint going upwards, but downwards to 'u-no-where'? Racists, bigots, murderers etc will be going downwards, but we are on climb girl, a climb (and when we get to where we're going, then all will be well). Trust me I have inside information! Jacqui

Sit down Roxanne Or you have a connery (as mildred Higginbottom would call it) E x :o))

David, I think it the person, not their sexuality that matters. Bev

Thanks to everyone for your comments:) I do realise that not everyone who attends or instructs on Alpha courses are bigoted in this way - I know a few others who are all very nice people. But it is, I've since read, a belief of the founders and part of the belief system. Sheila & Jen - well wherever we are going we'll all be together lol Jayvee - I was always taught that that is one of, if not *the* most important passages of the Bible. It sums up what my faith is all about.

sorry... couldnt resist it folks We can have a gay, meat eating, fur wearing party here (But smokers will have to hang their fags out of the window... as its warm enough wivout the fags) and we can sing some...warm songs to go with the decor. THE CRAZY WORLD OF ARTHUR BROWN - 'Fire' I am the god of hell fire and I bring you.. Fire, I'll take you to burn. Fire, I'll take you to learn. I'll see you burn! You fought hard and you saved and learned, but all of it's going to burn. And your mind, your tiny mind, you know you've really been so blind. Now's your time burn your mind. You're falling far too far behind. Oh no, oh no, oh no, you gonna burn! Fire, to destroy all you've done. Fire, to end all you've become. I'll feel you burn! You've been living like a little girl, in the middle of your little world. And your mind, your tiny mind, you know you've really been so blind. Now's your time burn your mind, you're falling far too far behind.

agreed roxanne Im not knocking those who have faith, but pointing out that faith can be used as an excuse sometimes.

I believe If there IS a god, then he will be a loving god, who will accept any creature on this earth into his kingdom I don't trust the bible, it contradicts itself. Many of its devout followers preach it down to the last word, but many also use quotes from it to their own advantage when it suits them. I used to work with a lovely black lady called 'vera'* name changed.. At the time Keith blacklock was murdered on the Broadwater farm estate in tottenham, in a riot started because a black woman dropped down dead when her home was raided by police we were having a discussion on the events. I said that it was awful that the copper was killed. (awful that the black lady had died as well) She said 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.' meaning, one of our people was killed, so its right one of yours was as well....revenge.. But the bible states, as I pointed out to her 'Thou shalt not KILL'. as said, people will use whatever part of the bible for their own gain, and ignore the rest which contradicts their point. Not saying there are not some great followers out there, who find great comfort in the bible.