General Chat

1939 for Henry has been transcribed properly by Ancestry (or FMP) from the Register image.

The spelling, and the wrong year of birth may actually be what Henry wrote on the household form, or may be the clerk's mistake in copying it to the main Register.
Or maybe Alfred Brooks filled in the household form , thinking those details were correct.


Re 34 Colwyn Street -
maybe the Wallises were only there briefly, and not at the times the details were being taken for the ER.
They may have been temporarily renting, or lodging with, John Hurley.

Thank you once again ArgyllGran.

I have submitted a correction to the 1939 register record as Wallis/Wallace wasnt transcribed properly which explains why i couldn't find it.

No idea why Harry/Henry Wallis/Wallace asked for the changes in 1934 to his marriage registration record.

Also can't explain why Henry's birth certificate shows 34 Hurley, but yet no record of Edward & Lydia living there.

Nicki

Do you mean Henry's change of name on his marriage cert in 1921 is odd?

I expect it was originally recorded as Harry because that's what he was known as, but then corrected to his official name of Henry, and also the spelling of surname corrected.
Perhaps the fact that it wasn't corrected until 1934 is slightly odd.

In 1939 he's correctly Henry Wallis, though his YOB is given as 1894, a year out as often the case on 1939 Register.

"Wonder who John Hurley is at 34 Colwyn - unless I misread it and it's 24?"

Edward Wallis/Wallace isn't listed anywhere in Colwyn Street in 1894 nor 1895.

1939 ??

Edward Wallace
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Edward Wallace
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1872
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 18 Rossetta Street
Residence Place: Lambeth, London, England
Occupation: Wood Machinist Ret <<<<<<<<<<<<< [ as in 1911 census ]
Line Number: 31
Schedule Number: 61
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Aneb
Borough: Lambeth
Registration district: 22. 3
Household Members Age
Alfred Brooks 65
Edward Wallace 67


Edward Wallace
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Edward Wallace
Electoral Date: 1939
Street Address: 18 Rosetta Street
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kennington
County or Borough: Lambeth, England


Also at that address in 1938 and 1937 - and spelled Wallace in both years.

1936 - Edward Wallis is alone at 27 Dorset Road. In previous years, as already posted , Emily and John, and Lydia until her death, had been listed with him.

ArgyllGran

Thank you.

Odd his daughter would use Lansdown Gardens on his death cert if he was in a home. But nothing surprises me with this family.

Wonder who John Hurley is at 34 Colwyn - unless I misread it and it's 24?

I can't find Edward Wallace/Wallis on the 1939 register.

Another oddity:
8 Oct 1921 Henry Wallis married Doris Mabel Harding (original marriage was recorded as Harry Wallace) This was corrected to Henry Wallis 21 Oct 1934
(Found on Ancestry: London, England Church of England Marriage & Banns 1754-1938).

Nicki


Nicki

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Edward Wallis
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Edward Wallis
Electoral Date: 1946
Ward or Division/Constituency: Brixton and Kennington
County or Borough: Lambeth, England

Address: St Peter's Home, Meadow Road.

Also there in 1947



Edward Wallis
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Edward Wallis
Electoral Date: 1945
Street Address: 14 Lansdowne Gardens
Ward or Division/Constituency: Lambeth
County or Borough: Lambeth, England


The ER shows a John Hurley living at 34 Colwyn Street, Hercules Road, in 1894, 1895 , 1896, and 1897.

Thanks ArgyllGran

Looking at certificates I already have:

On Edward Wallis's death cert in 1949 (aged 77) - 14 Lansdown Gardens, Lambeth is the address he was living at.

On Henry's birth certificate in 1894 they are living at 34 Colwyn St., Hercules Road

1905, as in the children's school records:

Edward Wallis
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Edward Wallis
Electoral Date: 1905
Street Address: 33 Sancroft street
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kennington
County or Borough: Lambeth, England

Also at that address in 1903 and 1904.

Mis-spelled:

Edward Wallace
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Edward Wallace
Electoral Date: 1910
Street Address: 56 Sussex-street
Ward or Division/Constituency: St George, Hanover Square
County or Borough: Westminster, England

And 1909:

Edward Wallace
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Edward Wallace
Electoral Date: 1909
Street Address: 56 Sussex-street
Ward or Division/Constituency: St George, Hanover Square
County or Borough: Westminster, England

On William Wallis's birth certificate in Oct 1909 they are listed as living at 56 Sussex Street, Pimllico

Nicki

Wow, thank you all, as usual you are all amazing.

Elizabeth was buried on 24 Dec 1914. The address on deceased online is 11 Goding St. She died at Westminster Hospital Broad Sanctuary.

Nicki

The birth posted by Gwyn, to show middle name:

WALLIS, LILIAN DOROTHY mmn HILL
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 620

And her death:

Lilian D Wallis
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lilian D Wallis
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place: Lambeth, London, United Kingdom
Death Date: Sep 1915
Inferred Death Place: London, United Kingdom
Volume: 1d
Page: 334


I don't see an address or baptism.

She's not on any Ancestry trees.


ADDED:
But Nicki has her on her GR tree.

The Lant Street address mentioned is round the corner from Mint Street and the Poor Law Union would be the workhouse which is actually in Mint Street but Lant Street is round the corner. Charles Dickens lived in Lant Street for a while.

My grandad was born in Mint Street Workhouse and his family lived in Lant Street at the time.

Kath. x

There are 7 trees on Ancestry none have a death date for Elizabeth.

Is there a baptism and address shown for this child ?

Births Jun 1913
Wallis Lilian D ... Hill.... Lambeth 1d 620

Henry Wallis
in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Henry Wallis
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1895
Admission Date: 3 Mar 1902
School: Vauxhall Street School
Father:
Edward Wallis
Notes: Vauxhall Street School (0243) opened in 1874. Rebuilt in 1914. Became Vauxhall Primary School in 1951

Address: 33 Sancroft Street.

Was previously at Westmoreland Road school
From Vauxhall Street, was transferred "to Boys" on 24/8/03

The daughter Lydia:

Lydia Wallis
in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Lydia Wallis
Gender: Female
Age: 5
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1897
Admission Date: 25 Aug 1902
School: Vauxhall Street School
Father:
Edward Wallis
Notes: Vauxhall Street School (0243) opened in 1874. Rebuilt in 1914. Became Vauxhall Primary School in 1951

Address: 33 Sancroft Street

Vauxhall Street School was her first school.
Her last day there was 22/8/1904, when she was "Transferred to Girls".

Emily Wallis
in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1912-1918
Name: Emily Wallis
Gender: Female
Admission Age: 9
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1906
Admission Date: 9 Dec 1915
Admission Place: London, England
School: Charles Dickens School
Residence Poor Law Union: Lant Street, Borough High Street
Father:
Edward Wallis

Address on image is 27 Dorset Road.
Don't know where the Lant Street address comes from - it doesn't seem to be anywhere on the page image.

She was previously at Vauxhall Street School.
Her last attendance at Charles Dickens School was 20/12/1920, when she was 14 and left school.


There's no image to view (on Ancestry) for the school record for John, posted earlier by Shirley, but presumably it would show the address as 11 Goding Street, not that mysterious Lant Street address.

Have a look at Edward’s WW1 attestation papers they sometimes list marriage and children births dates.