General Chat

Hillary Clinton had a majority of 3.5 million in the popular vote. Trump focussed on a handful of mid West states over represented in the electoral college. None of the promises made to these states have been kept.

There must be more than myself wondering if Trump used similar tactics on

Hilary Clinton, when the election was hers to lose ;-)

Don't get your hopes up David, it requires two thirds of the Senate to remove him. Clinton was impeached but survived because the senate was to evenly divided.

On the other side of the Atlantic impeachment proceeding have begun to
remove President Donald Trump for attempting to dig up dirt on Joe Biden.

Reminiscent of the Nixon era.

Or....."Oh what a tangled web we weave when we begin to lie and deceive...." might be where she was going..... :-)...but that applies to all parties in this saga....

I loved the spider brooch Lady Hale wore when giving the verdict!
You can buy a tee-shirt with it on already - and part of the price will be going to Shelter! :-D

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2019/sep/24/say-it-with-a-brooch-how-a-fashion-item-became-a-political-statement

Was she alluding to 'The Who' song - 'Boris the Spider'? :-D :-D :-D

I felt that we let down our Commonwealth when we first went into the EU and they have gone elsewhere to trade now.

It would be good to go back to proper weights and measures again, and real money would be utter Heaven!

We have had deciminalised currency for over 40 years, a rapid

under channel rail crossing that a generation have become used to,

so much trade with the EU. We are no longer insular.WE ARE PART OF EUROPE

I wonder if Hitler could have pulled it off here. The Germans will do as they are told and love rules whereas you really can't imagine the British following anything like as unquestioningly.

Even Thatcher didn't have a botty on Spitting Image.

Today's events have proved that democracy is NOT dead.

An independent judiciary has decided that the PM's actions were illegal.

The PM will abide by that decision (even if he disagrees)

The (free) press will publish all of this.

Anyone who watched the recent 'Rise of the Nazis' saw how Hitler chipped away at the bastions of democratic rule, until he got what he wanted. We would not be able to stand up in the wind that would blow if that happened now.

Democracy does assume a level playing field but I do worry about what might happen if the democratically achieved conclusion is ignored.

Whereas, in a dictatorship, the individual has little responsibility and no choice, democracy does assume knowledge commensurate with choice and responsibility, a big thing to live up to.

Sadly, many who really would rather not have to make decisions have become dependent upon the tabloids to decide their political choices for them and this will be where they gathered their knowledge for the referendum.

I have waited and waited and no one, be they friend, acquaintance, politician, saint or sinner has ever come up with a reasoned, factual and convincing good reason to leave. Still waiting.

Least of all have I heard anything that makes me think it will benefit the very people in areas who voted overwhelmingly to leave in the belief it will help them the most.

I haven't hear the word on the street locally today but I did prior to and after the referendum and without exception none of the people saying they voted to leave had a clue what it would actually entail, other than that "Britain would be Great again".

What benefit to the North? What benefit to the places where the schools are bad and the job opportunities only of the minimum wage/zero hours contract type? What benefit to those who are driven to food banks? Being in the EU hasn't caused that. At least acknowledge the failure of our own governments over the years, not just blame it on some "rules from Brussels" that have made life so hard for so many?

I can certainly understand why the majority who voted leave feel hard done by, but now they know how remainers feel who have been made to stand on the edge of a cliff against their better judgement with no certainty that if forced into the jump there is anything to break the fall except the word of politicians you probably wouldn't trust to look after your cat!

Democracy is a great thing, but time and again the majority have voted for someone peddling a nice idea in theory, without it being a deliverable reality. imo.

It may not be that they don't care but that they don't know what to do. None of them expected to be landed with this situation.

It's really sad that all of these MP's truly don't care what the public may or may not think and obviously feel secure they'll still be voted back in when there's the next election.....though I suppose you could argue even if they weren't voted in they'd just ignore the results and take up their seats in Parliament anyway.

All the time we have what we have we are in minimal danger of despotism.

Slightly off topic. There was a time we weren't in the EU but the politicians got us in after having decriminalised our currency.. The leader of the Labour party lost a
general election and the leadership of the party, then became an EU
commissioner (Kinnock) Since then successive political leaders have tried to balance
public opinion (?) and the EU. We have had a Referendum in 2016 we, the electorate voted to leave the EU. David Cameron resigned, three years later Theresa May.
It's looking as though Boris Johnson might follow suit. What a mess !!
The man who would be King appears to have made a bum of it, IMO

Gawd knows what the back stabbing rebels would replace it with.I do have some ideas which are best kept to myself so as not to have some on here at my throat

I hope not. What would you replace it with?

Democracy is dead in this country what is the point of voting for something only to have peoples requests overturned

The absolute basis of democracy is that the majority choice prevails and the Queen had to be included in what Boris did. Neither of them can implement anything without the other, and long may it stay that way!