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Omw thankyou so much everyone. Need to write all these details down. You have all been so helpful x

Ancestry & FMP are often available free at your local library. You may have to book computer time in advance.

Jayne, yes, it is very addictive. Look out for free trials on Find My Past and Ancestry - 'Mr Magoo' usually kindly alerts us to them on these forums. Alternately, I think you can get free access to either at local libraries.

or.... if you opt for a short, paid membership on FMP or Ancestry have a list of what you want to look for to hand to save wasting your sub.

Alice Middleditch's parent's marriage:-

First name(s) MARY ANN
Last name MADDOX
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1864
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

MARY ANN MADDOX married one of these people

William Turner, >>>>>James Middleditch, James Middlditch<<<<<

District Gloucester
District number -
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Volume 6A
Volume as transcribed 6A
Page number 416
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

On Findmypast the 1939 register does have the original images as well as transcriptions.

Kath. x

Re the 1939 register the image is shown, but it may not give more than the transcription , except that you will see some updates, for eg if a name changes, on marriage for example. The 1939 was used up to 1991 by the NHS so married names of women will have been added, and usually the date when the name changed is also written in.

You might struggle a bit with with finding Alice, she is a servant on the 1881 and 1891 census before her marriage, and is not with her parents in 1871 either, but these are her parents in 1871 confirmed by son, note Madox and Madocks are often used

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Springfield Road, Painswick, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England

James Middleditch Head - Male 32 1839 - Gloucestershire, England
Mary A Middleditch Wife - Female 25 1846 - Herefordshire, England
George Middleditch Son - Male 4 1867 - Denbighshire, Wales
William J Middleditch Son - Male 3 1868 - Gloucestershire, England
Ann Middleditch Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Gloucestershire, England

MIDDLEDITCH, GEORGE MADOCKS
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 365

Alice is mistranscribed but is with her grandparents in 1871

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Fern Hill, Weobley, Herefordshire, England

John Maddox Head - Male 67 1804 - Worcestershire, England
Margaret Maddox Wife - Female 66 1805 - Shropshire, England
Alie Middleditch Grandchild - Female 5 1866 - Denbighshire, Wales <<<<<<
Betsy Day Servant - Female 14 1857 - Herefordshire, England

Can I just ask those that have access to the 1939 register does it show you the original document and is it like the census or does it just give you the transcribed details. Thinking of maybe signing up for it but as its so expensive thought I would as first x

Lol I thought that would be cheeky but thanks to Ramblings help I have gone back a generation. And thanks to everyone elses help I have found 2 pages I didn't know where available. I have a feeling I will be back Island as this is too addictive lol

Jayne, why didn't you just ask someone to do your friends tree for you?

Just put the names up, 'helpers' don't get much to look up on here these days :-)

I have found it now. I have too many tabs open lol. Its on the GRO page not freebmd lol. Sorry my mistake x

Although they don't say so FreeBMD will have a stab at the maiden name of a partner / parent pre 1911 if you make a relevant query.
The GRO service also will give you marriage / mother maiden names pre 1911 by using their index service. It is free once you have registered for an account (also free).
The 1911 Census records usually have marriage date ( if any ) and a useful tall of the number of children born/died/survived.
The BMD service on Ancestry is more complete than FreeBMD. FreeBMD often cannot find records where the search terms are even a little bit off whereas @y is much more flexible.

omw I am so thick. On freebmd I have clicked births then typed in Harold Jacques and the dates/years. It then takes me to a page with a list of these names with registration district and number but doesn't show me mothers maiden name :-(

Just going back give me a minute.

Jayne you should be seeing it laid out like this on GRO . Maddox is the mother's maiden name

MIDDLEDITCH, ALICE FANNY ........ MADDOX
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 391

On freebmd you will not see mother's name

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
Middleditch Alice Fanny St. Asaph 11b 391

I have just gone on freebmd to have a go and it gives me the childs name and where they were registered but doesn't say mothers maiden name. What am I doing wrong please?

They are just the schedule numbers, not relevant in any way to you :-)

To start you off this is the 1911 for birth locations of Geoorge and Alice Fanny , you should be able to work back from them.

1911 Census For England & Wales
Bowbridge Stroud Gloucestershire, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England

George W Jacques Head Married Male 40 1871 Boot Maker Burforth Oxford
Alice Jacques Wife Married Female 45 1866 - Denbigh North Wales
William Jacques Son - Male 12 1899 School Bowbridge Stroud Glos
Harold Jacques Son - Male 10 1901 School Bowbridge Stroud Glos <<<<
Myrtle Jacques Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Bowbridge Stroud Glos
Lewis Jones Boarder Single Male 54 1857 Wood Turner Stroud Glos

Thankyou Rollothered.
What do the numbers 12 and 1 mean after it says married on the 1939 record please Rambling
Rambling thankyou so much got more than I expected

from freebmd
Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
Middleditch Alice Fanny St. Asaph 11b 391

and same from GRO

MIDDLEDITCH, ALICE FANNY mmn MADDOX
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 391

Matches 1939 register DOB


First name(s) LILY KATE
Last name JACQUES
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 6
Birth year 1901
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1995
District Cheltenham
District number 4791C
Register number C47D
Entry number 080
Date of registration mm/yy 0195