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Hi this is my Mothers half Sister but I am at a loss how to trace her as I am confused as to how someone can be registered twice on the registry


Irene Mason Born 1937 7a 819a mothers maiden name Mason

Irene Kent Born 1937 7a 819a mothers maiden name Mason

Any help would be appreciated

The index lists all surnames shown on the birth certificate.

In this instance, the mother probably wasn't married to the father. He did, however, acknowledge paternity.

Had they been married to each other, there would only have been one entry - father's surname first + mother's maiden name.

NB - if we're discussing the birth reg of a living person, it may be best if you delete this thread once you've read replies.

Ok I know irenes mother was originaly married to kent but divorced. Which surname would Irene have taken or would that have been mothers choice?

Re-reading your post - are you trying to find her?

Which parent does your mother & aunt share? What else do you know about your aunt? Was she raised by her mother, extended family or adopted out? If her parents didn't marry each other later on, it's possible that she may have been adopted by her mother's legal husband if her mother married someone else

It would have been the mother's decision while she was a child. To give an air of respectability, the mother would probably have used her Ex's surname.
When it comes down to it, a person can use whatever name they like as long as it isn't for illegal purposes.

Hi My Mother shares the same Mother different fathers mother was Lydia Kent nee Mason born 1908 after she divorced she re married to an Arthur Morris. I have her descendents etc But Irene seems to disappear off the radar so to speak

Does your mother remember anything about Irene? Did they live together?

If the answer is NO, it might be an idea to purchase a copy of the BC - that would show if she was legally adopted out.

Unfortunately both my parent have passed away I will send away for a copy and see whats is on it

Thank you for your time and help
:-)

Have you managed to find your grandmother on the 1939 register, or did she die after 1992?
Do you know her exact date of birth? Closed records after her entry might suggest that she kept Irene with her

Let us know if there are any notations on the BC - we might be able to suggest a way forward.

Have you sent a message to the person who has an Irene Mason in their tree? It may be the wrong Irene, but worth asking
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/messages/2284033/discover?rk=220643837

MY grandfather's birth was registered twice - same name but two certificates with different fathers :-S

We think it could have been market day and the registrar may have partaken of too much ale! This is because the birth certificate grandfather had in his possession when he died was the one that gave that of his father's name - the one that showed he was living with in several censuses.

The same grandfather's death was registered in two names - he had completely changed his name by the time of his second 'marriage'.

Never be surprised at what pops up when you are digging, Simon.

Simon, could Irene have taken her stepfathers name of Morris?

I don't see Lydia on the 1939 under Mason, Kent or Morris (if they were in the same household)

Lydia Married in Wolverhampton in 1942 To Arthur so Irene would have been 9 do not know if Irene went with her or not more blank roads

Lydia is mistranscribed in 1939

Lydia Morris (Unson) Mason on image DOB 25/7/08

3 White Hart Hotel High Street, Boston M.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Holland), England

One closed record on same entry which may be daughter Irene? EDIT but probably isn't see below **

EDIT the words are obscured rather by the redacted entry, but it looks like Lydia was a chambermaid.

***On the redacted entry there is a long loop on one of the letters, below the redacted line.

for ref

Marriages Mar 1931 (>99%)

Kent Ernest W Mason Grimsby 7a 1013
Mason Lydia Kent Grimsby 7a 1013

There are kent/Mason children bn Grimsby 1932 ( died same year sadly) 1936 and Irene in 1937.

edited as realised OP 's mother was the daughter born 1936.

Irene just seems to vanish Les Morris son of Arthur Morris wasn't aware of irene at all she would have been 9 when Lydia re married in 1942.

Les informed me in 2012 that Lydia also had a son called Philip cant find anything on him what so ever

Not been able to contact Les again he may have passed on now

Not good at this what does realised OP 's mean

OP in this context means opening poster - the person who started the thread.
When someone starts a thread ((asks the initial question etc) that is the opening post.

Rambling realised that the daughter born in 1936 was your mother. She didn’t give details of the births in case they were still living. This was to to protect both your & their privacy.

This is certainly a conundrum Simon :-) It looks to me that your mother may have lived with her father (?) and wife or at least was with them for the civil registration in 1939. Similarly, could Irene have been taken in by her own father? Otherwise, I think she may have been adopted out.
It is interesting that all three girls are on the birth reg as Mason and Kent and a third name for the 1936 child. I hope that makes sense. The mother must have made many trips to the register office.

edit I don't want to post your mothers name for your own privacy.

There doesn't appear to be a birth for a Philip with mother's maiden name of Mason in a likely place or with any of the known surnames.

For ref this appears to be Lydia's baptism, First name(s) Lydia
Last name Mason
Sex Female
Birth year 1908
Birth date 25 Jul 1908 <<< matches with 1939 reg
Baptism year 1908
Baptism date 14 Aug 1908
Church St John
Place New Clee St John
Father's first name(s) Albert Frederick
Mother's first name(s) Cecilia
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Archive
Lincolnshire Archives
Page 191
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms


If that's the case, Lydia is listed with parents and an Albert Edward Mason on the eroll for 1930 in Stirling high street Grimsby