General Chat

After last night's pifflepaffle

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jul/10/tory-leadership-latest-news-john-major-threatens-to-take-boris-johnson-to-court-to-stop-him-proroguing-parliament-for-no-deal-brexit-live-news

I suppose BoJo could fall back on the Daily Wail precedent which regards the Supreme Court ( once known as the House of Lords ) as "Enemies of the People" and stage a putsch.

"Federal elections were held in Germany on 5 March 1933, after the Nazi seizure of power on 30 January and just six days after the Reichstag fire. Nazi stormtroopers had unleashed a widespread campaign of violence against the Communist Party (KPD), left-wingers,[1]:317 trade unionists, the Social Democratic Party of Germany,[1] and the Centre Party.[1]:322 They were the last multi-party elections in a unified Germany until 1990. "

Wiki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt5HtPYv1FQ

Boris has refused and goes on refusing to rule out the prorogation of Parliament beyond saying that if it did happen it would only be for so long as it takes.

Especially when those elections are fixed.

Sometimes democratic elections produce unwelcome & unexpected results.

@ Dermot

"The leak has led some pro-Brexit politicians to call for Darroch to be sacked. Speaking to the BBC’s Today programme, Nigel Farage, the Brexit party leader, said the incident showed the need for “major civil service reform” and a purge of senior ranks to install officials more sympathetic to Trump and to Brexit."

isn't that what all dictators say? that only someone who is 'on their side' can be in any position of authority? :-P

Dermot, Farage is ALL "weasel words". Saying something in words of one syllable doesn't make it true, any more than liking a pint makes him "a man of the people".

I like the way Nigel speaks. No weasel words.

Clarity at all times - whether I agree or not.

The UK needs and deserves a 'new politics' for the very obvious reason that the old ones have been a catastrophic failure.

I didn't do civics. Did anybody?

Is nobody else wondering what sort of threat Nigel Farage might pose? Another opportunist who exploits weakness for his own end.

nuts I don't have the time, my post was based on what I may or may not have known but certainly what I thought.
Did you not do civics at school ?

suggested reading: "putsch, beer hall"
which of course resulted in a nice comfy office in the Landsberg for Adolf Schicklgruber and time to wite "Mein Kamf"

history tends to repeat itself with variations.

It truly is Sharron :-)

When I was a child I used to think how great it would be if there was one huge library where you could find out everything you wanted to know on any subject in the universe.

I love Google, everyday there is an opportunity to learn more about subjects you would otherwise struggle to have access to, and all in the comfort of your own home. :-)

Isn't it wonderful how much information you can find on Google?

Quite the opposite. Boris Johnson expects to be PM and has a long list of stuff he intends to do at a brisk pace starting of course with a death defying leap from the EU at Beachy Head 31 October.

In order to do that there are a few inconveniences. Parliament can pass legislation blocking a no deal brexit or even something more radical such as a vote of no confidence.

As to the rest of Boris' to do list he must submit it to Parliament in the form of the Queen's Speech or there is no mandate. May managed to skip one by stating in advance that she needed 2 years to pass brexit law in which of course she failed.

A convenient way around these problems would be to suspend parliament sine dine aka prorogue. The last two times this happened for any length of time were after the fire of 1837 and of course 1642.

Then of course there is the small matter that before the Queen appoints a PM she has to ask him / her if they have a firm majority in the House. May took around a week to stitch something up with the DUP last time around by means of a £ 1 bn bribe. This time the DUP will be front of the queue. Unfortunately given the likely loss of Radnor on 1 Aug the govt maj will no longer exist.

So there you go , why not just dump the inconvenience of Parliament and its archaic requirements such as a Queen's Speech ? "Britannia Unchained"

With the current state of play, I am not really surprised that there will be no Queens speech in September.

There is no certainty as to who will be running the country or even where we will stand in Europe. There would not be much to tell as to what the government intended to do.

Old news :-D

Experienced politicians are good at answering questions without actually answering them - if that makes sense & can even proceed further by answering another question not yet raised.

Some politicians choose not to see what's right in front of their faces! :-|

Some politicians don’t always appreciate advice they haven’t asked for.

Her Majesty doesn't do politics but a wise PM will always at least listen to any advice given with the wisdom of experience.

Sharron realizes that the queen does not write her own speech as well.

Sharron realizes that the queen does not write her own speech as well.