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Such a shame to see this beautiful old 12th Century building on fire,on Sky News at the moment.

Maryb.

I saw that Mary :-(
Is there any more news?

https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/paris-un-incendie-majeur-est-en-cours-a-notre-dame-7797435400

:-(

my wife, born and bred in Paris is in tears.

And I would be too, Rollo. It looks as though there may not be much left standing! :-(

That beautiful cathedral in flames. The spire is completely engulfed. So very sad.

Spire has fallen

So sad :-(

So very sad...awful

Tragic I love that beautiful building

In 1996 the huge Art Nouveau HQ of Credit Lyonais suffered a massive fire not far from the Notre Dame de Paris ( and not far from my Paris office in r Chabanais). It was scary. The building was fully restored after years of work..
http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/youtube/933eb5b5cea1dc91f37fa5240ddf2132

The Notre Dame is the soul of Paris and France whatever can be done to restore the building will be done. It will take a long time while people with the skills are already at full stretch. The walls have cracks. Replacing the roof is possible (York Minster was repaired after a serious fire ) but if the walls start to go I don't know. It is really important to get the fire out asap. AFAIK the new bells have not yet been put in place.

vive la France!

The pompiers do not seem to have the resources needed for such a major fire.
Somehow they just have to get the fire out in the coming hours. That done spreaders can be installed to prevent the walls from collapsing inwards. After that a temp roof to keep out the rain.

Then the resurrection can begin.

J'espere.

nb: You can get a better live feed than cnn/Sky from France24 either on TV in French/English ot by internet.

Terribly sad. Its upsetting to see an historical building destroyed.

We were commenting on how few streams of water appear to be pumped into it.
Even if the nearest fire station only had a couple of tenders, its taking far too long for others to arrive.

The Notre Dame on an island in the Seine which is being used by the pumps for water. It is not obvious from the TV but there are several hundred pompiers there and lots of pumps. The problem is not lack of water but that the pompiers cannot reach nearly high enough with the cherry pickers they have. Right now priority is rescuing art and putting out the tower fire.

Touch and go.
:-|

Very sad, hope no one is hurt.

So sad. It survived two world wars.

Such a dreadful thing to happen. I read that using too much water will cause more damage to the walls so are trying other things like chemicals to put out the fire.

Paris has suffered so much lately

Lizx

First commissioned by King Louis VII in 1163, the Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris took nearly 200 years to build. Since its completion in 1345, it has stood as a monument to the glory of French, European, and Western civilizations. Twelve million visitors or more are drawn to the Cathedral every year to admire its Gothic architecture, flying buttresses, and majestic rose windows.

But, in just a few shocking hours, the shrine was almost completely destroyed. Its near obliteration in a fire yesterday is front page news the world over. It was devastating to watch the live video of the billowing smoke, searing flames, and collapsing spire.

Though the worst has been avoided, as it now appears the stone vault and interior remain largely intact (along with the two bell towers of the Cathedral’s iconic facade), the world still mourns the damage done, the full measure of which is yet to be determined.

As the eyes of the world turned to Paris yesterday in concern for the survival of a monument of unique importance in the history of art and architecture, what did they see? The world was looking at a cross. A burning cross at the center of Paris for the Notre-Dame Cathedral is cruciform in shape. Let us pray that what rises from the ashes of this tragedy is a recognition that the heritage of France, Europe and the West is cruciform, for Notre-Dame is a monument in stone to the Christian Faith that built these civilizations.

One can readily see in the fire a metaphor for the state of the Faith in Europe in this increasingly secular age. But after the Cross comes Resurrection—and yesterday provided signs of hope.

The first sign came in the immediate concern expressed for the Blessed Sacrament. That the tabernacle was emptied and Our Lord’s Real Presence in the Eucharist was saved from harm is a consolation. The priests and firefighters who facilitated this reminded the world that the whole purpose for the construction of Notre-Dame in the first place was to be a worthy dwelling place for God. I am reminded of Cordelia’s conversation with Charles in Evelyn Waugh’s Brideshead Revisited. She tells him about the closing of the chapel at their family estate after the funeral of her mother and explains having to watch the priest empty the tabernacle, leaving its golden door ajar. “I suppose none of this makes sense to you, Charles, poor agnostic.” she said. “I stayed there till he was gone, and then, suddenly, there wasn’t any chapel any more, just an oddly decorated room.”

Indeed, without the Blessed Sacrament the Notre-Dame Cathedral would be just an odd-looking building in the heart of a cosmopolitan city. It is the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist that makes it a church. It was to provide a worthy dwelling place for the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist that inspired our ancestors in the Faith to spend their lives building such a glorious edifice. That same faith was on display yesterday when the Blessed Sacrament was rescued.

The second sign of hope was the concern given to also saving one of Christendom’s most cherished relics—the Crown of Thorns. When King Saint Louis IX acquired this instrument of Our Lord’s Passion and brought it to Paris in 1239, he removed his own crown and royal robes to walk barefoot behind the relic as it was carried in procession through the city streets. That same faith was on display yesterday when the Crown of Thorns was saved amid and through the flames.

Finally, the “living stones” of the Church took to the streets of Paris to remind us that the Church is more that just stones but is Christ’s Mystical Body on Earth. It was deeply moving to see the crowds kneeling in prayer in the shadow of Notre-Dame singing the Ave Maria. Why were their tears in the eyes of so many Parisians? Were they crying simply over damage done to a building of grand art and architecture? Or were they crying over something more? Perhaps it was over the lost Catholic identity of their nation symbolized in the flames engulfing Notre-Dame.

And when the French President, Emmanuel Macron, made a solemn promise to rebuild the Cathedral, it should be asked, why? Why bother with such an investment of time, money, and effort? It only makes sense if it is for the same reason it was built in the first place. It must be rebuilt for the glory of Jesus Christ and His Mother.

The beauty and meaning of Notre-Dame lies in the religious beliefs, principles, and culture that inspired its construction. The same faith that inspired its builders 800 years ago was on full display yesterday in the uplifting sounds of the Ave Maria being sung by the crowds on the streets of Paris.

Through the intercession of the Mother of God, may this tragedy remind us of Notre-Dame’s true purpose. And may we see this wonder restored along with Faith that built it.

{Copied from 'The Catholic World Report'.}

Such a sad loss.

Very few French people today are practising Catholics and the concept of celebrating Christ through a restored cathedral would not fly with many and certainly not if it meant parting with cash. The French are very stingy.

No, the cathedral is seen as part of the web and warp of daily life in the capital city - it is impossible not to see it all the time - a place celebrationg national unity (Johnny Halliday's funeral took place at N.D. ) and a living link with the past 900 years. It also celebrates the skill of Parisian artisans from the stained glass , the massive organ to more recent work.

N.D. was never at risk during the two world wars. During WW1 the Germans only once got near anough for long range shelling of the city During WW2 central Paris saw no fighting and the RAF avoided bombing it. In August 1944 ND sustained a few bullet holes as the French police retook the city using only light weapons. The cathedral was far more at risk during the war of 1870 when the Bosch inflicted serious damage at the Tuleries, r Rivoli and la Defense.

The N.D. suffered a lot of damage during and after the revolution. Napolean restored it and was annointed French emperor there about 1804. Nevertheless it again fell into a state of disrepair and came close to demolition during the C19.

The cost of maintaning the wonderful places of France has been a long running dispute including the crumbling structure of ND Maybe now the whole issue will be properly sorted out.

Stendhal's classic novel "The Red and the Black" far better describes French attitudes towards the Vatican and the rigidities of French society than any Catolic newspaper. That there has been little real change since the days of Stendhal is evidenced by Macron's problems with les chemises jaunes.

N.D. is a special case the celebration of a nation not any religion though some may wish to see it that way.

I fear for the wonderful acoustics created by the vaulted ceiling.

Recent restorations of cathedrals after serious fire damage took the thick end of 20 years. ( York, Milan )