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Yeah I hear where you're coming from Roy but...........any action taken by anything other than a government is considered 'terrorism'

When a government take action, it's a 'conflict' or a 'war'

.......so that's OK then!


Nelson Mandela, a 'terrorist' to some a 'freedom fighter' to others

I have thought long and hard about the lady in the library - and yes, she is an employee.
I'll perhaps pop in tomorrow because I do think her behaviour was unacceptable and disrespectful towards the pensioners having the conversation, let alone the deceased!

I still consider Martin McGuiness to be a terrorist.....

I definitely called him such in the 1980s.

a freedom fighter for me!!!!

lol Gins you beat me to it!

Roy, surely there was no legal process that Mandela in his youth could have had faith in, because of apartheid...?

Polish uprising...terrorists or freedom fighters?

I don't know much about S Africa so it's not a subject I'd be qualified to go into in any great detail... I do remember in the late 1980s having an Irish boyfriend who took me to a club in Cricklewood and tins labelled POW were passed around for collections. Watched as he and his friends shoved all their spare change in.

When I asked what it was all about he looked a bit sheepish (sorry Errol lol)...I nearly spat when his mate finally told me it stood for Prisoners Of War and it went to the IRA>

I left immediately..him and the club ** nothing to do with the Nelson Mandela really but just showed that one mans' freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.......

Muffy, totally irrelevant to the thread lol but in the 1970s my mum took round a collecting tin and had the door slammed in her face by one chap who thought she said she was collecting for the IRA ..... she was collecting for the RSPCA ;-)

pmsl Rose..mine wasn't particularly relevant either but it lightens the mood :-D

A few mythbusters and random observations:-

The school milk we got in the late 50's wasn't 'proper' milk, it was watered down. Most of it got poured down the drain or the bottles got 'accidentally' smashed so we didn't have to drink it.

If children are fed pop and junk food instead of milk and fruit then that is the parents fault, nothing to do with the government.

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist, leading a bombing campaign against government targets. In 1962 he was arrested and convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the government, being sentenced to life imprisonment.

The top 10% of earners, already contribute almost one half half of all income tax collected. Altogether they number around 113,000 people - yes, that's all - one in every 250 workers, or less than 0.2% of the population.

The rent mob wouldn't have lasted a week under Margaret Thatcher. In many other countries they wouldn't have lasted two days, some countries less than a day.

I never understood why they were allowed to get away with it - surely it was anti-social behaviour

I'm sure Nelson Mandela saw himself as a freedom fighter but when you take up arms against the state and innocent people are killed as a direct result then in my book that make you a terrorist

specific to the militant/terrorist wing of the ANC was what was known as ''necklacing'' pinning people to into car tyres dowsing in petrol and setting it alight then leave them to die, Is that the actions of a freedom fighter ??

Roy

Roy

Don’t tell me you believe that governments have not done similar!

Tony Blair on this evening’s news was denouncing the fact that some people were celebrating the death of Thatcher.

Did he do the same when Sadam Husain was overthrown and people celebrated and later, further celebrations at the announcement of his death?

Hypocrite

seemed to be plenty of people out celebrating in brum last night felt more like a saturday before xmas in a couple of pubs

i would go to the funeral but have you seen the price of eggs

Gins, I don't think the death of any human is cause for celebration whether by individuals, groups or governments

The world may be a better place after someones death but that's no reason to celebrate,

More a reason to reflect

Roy

May I just reiterate that this thread is intended to remember Margaret Thatcher's life and career and not to celebrate her death or pass judgment (or lament the price of eggs lol)

Quote from Inspector Green pen...If children are fed pop and junk food instead of milk and fruit then that is the parents fault, nothing to do with the government.

I agree........

I agree Roy, I said in an earlier post that I did not celebrate her in life and I will not celebrate her death............

I felt 'nothing' on hearing of her passing, no wish to mourn nor to celebrate but......

You have to question, when you pass and people celebrate on the streets, what was it you did so wrong?

I have just watched the news on TV where a crowd of people were celebrating dancing in the streets opening bottles of Champagne, and chanting anti Thatcher slogans. I really don't care what their political views or opinions of Margaret Thatcher are; this is just pure bad manners, a lack of respect for the feelings of her family and total ignorance.

People seem to think that Mrs Thatcher closed the mines - she did not - Arthur Scargill closed the mines.

Well I think everyone whos been a Prime Minister should get 8 million spent on a state funeral,,,,,,

just a thought,,,,,,,

how will people feel about Camerons government if hes in office for the next 10+ years,,,,,not fogetting hes only just started his weilding of the frail.