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I must of missed that then Ann, but did you notice the clip I mentioned in the Panorama programme? Maybe I was mistaken that it was Freddie Starr. I expect there will be lots pf names banded about, and some will be innocent people, who just happened to be working with JS.

The interview I heard this morning on 5Live, with Nicky Campbell interviewing Paul Gambaccini this morning, left me thinking that there is so much more that went on.

I have just seen that parts of the interview will be in the press tomorrow , so feel it will be o.k for me to post, bits of the interview.




Former BBC colleague Paul Gambaccini has said he knew of the allegations in the 1980s

Speaking to presenter Nicky Campbell on Radio 5 Live, Savile's former BBC colleague Paul Gambaccini said he knew of the allegations in the 1980s.

Quote....Mr Gambaccini questioned why newspapers had not acted when he said a reporter had boasted that his colleagues were aware of a story linking Savile to "necrophilia".

Campbell pointed out: "That particularly lurid accusation that you have just brought to people's attention is one that has not been in the public domain."

Gambaccini agreed and asked "why not?". And he asked: "Who vetted the knighthood? Coco the clown?"

He said the entire society was taken in by Savile - "including the Prime Minister who invited him to Chequers; including the royal family, photographed with him, he got a knighthood in this country, he got a papal knighthood.

"This is not just the BBC this is history, this is a man who conned an entire society," Gambaccini added.

Mr Gambaccini claimed it was known among BBC staff that the late presenter targeted vulnerable, "institutionalised" young people.

Gambaccini had worked with Savile at Radio 1 where he had first heard stories about his abuse of under-age girls.

He said that he used a "politically incorrect" term to categorise the people to whom Savile devoted his attentions.

"The expression I came to associate with Savile's sexual partners was either one used by production assistants or one I made up to summarise their reports ... 'under-age subnormals'," said Gambaccini.

"He targeted the institutionalised, the hospitalised - and this was known. Why did Jimmy go to hospitals? That's where the patients were."

But he said these things were taking place at a time when staff failed to get to grips with the concept of paedophilia.

"It was considered so far beyond the pale that people didn't believe it happened," he said. ..unquote


Edit.. Sue & Sue. just seen your comments re Freddie Starr, thought it was him :-|

Got to be honest, I don't read your comments John, but seeing as Sue brought them to my attention what you wrote, I can't believe that anyone has "friends" who act the way your friends did, how could anyone who acted the way they did, be friends? Words fail me

Where do you draw the line.?

If having watched a show it must be obvious the type of character the 'star' of the show is. Its one thing to be accused of having girls in the dressing room and another thing to be associated with rape cases. Whilst the comment is not politically correct it sounds about right for the time it was said.

Another accuser of JS said that his hand lingered a little too long on her leg and she felt he was a creep. 'Abuse' at this level should not come into the equation. No it isn't pleasant but that was a long time ago and their behaviour was nothing different to what went on in the workplace. Their dressing room was their workplace. Focus should just be given to the serious accusations and forget the trivial stuff as it was the way of the world. Not right but for some reason accepted. Hopefully the good that should come out of all this, is that all people should just be reminded of their indiscretions and think about the consequences.
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.-jl

But I wouldn't call, putting a hand on a knee trivial though Janet, whether or not it was a way of the world, that doesn't make it trivial to the person who's knee it is.
I grew up in the 50's/60's and realise that things were very different to how they are now, but had someone put an unwanted hand on my knee back then, I certainly wouldn't of thought it o.k, or trivial.

As for the old saying, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" I've never been inappropriate with anybody, so I can be happy saying, any unwanted sexual advances are wrong.

I cannot believe I am reading this ...no different to the workplace and the dressing room was their workplace ... that does NOT make it ok ..I do nonot know where the hell you worked Janet but it sure as hell would not of been classed as OK in my place of work

Janet,
If the 'hand on the leg' incident seems trivial to you I am very alarmed. The 'accuser' was a patient in Broadmoor at the time. She was not in his dressing room she was watching TV with two other girls with Savile sitting on the floor next to her chair.
This man was allowed in to the hospital in a position of trust and obviously abused that trust and any young person he could get his filthy hands on.

John,,,,,,If your *friend* still lives in India I hope you're blind eye attitude doesnt blight you as you go about your daily life.....****preferences ******for these type of people dont change,,,,,,,,,even with age.!.

I am still peed off that John used the word 'gay' when referring to his friends instead of the proper label of 'pervert'.

Still anything for effect eh?

*steam still coming out of ears*

Supercrutch, I feel much the same as yourself for his explanation as to why he mentioned India in the first place, his answer now being that there is a possible connection between JS and India.
I don't know what papers he reads or news bullitins he listens to, but obviously not the same ones as I do. I have never heard of this connection, anywhere.
Make 'em up as you go along theory, methinks.

Julia in Derbyshire

back earlier in the thread,,,,,,,Johns friend who at some point worked for JS but now lives in India,,,,,,,,John has as it read misgivings as to continue his friendship with this person due to his JS connection.....this incident is present time.....

??????

I dont know if the now India thing is related to that or another set of friends who John made while John was in India??????? a past time.?

Kay, please look at the first sentence of the posting at 16.04 today. He deffinitely said a "possible connection between this Saville case and India".
It is there in black and white.

Sorry have to go now for evening meal.

Julia in Derbyshire

Ive not heard any reports of connection to India and JS in the media,,,,,,,,puzzled why John states this......... :-S

savile said in an interview that his reputation would be destroyed once he had died, how right he was, he fooled everyone in the united kingdom.he knew those he had abused and tormented would finally be able to speak out with out his clever lawyers serving injunctions to shut them up.
i was a inmate at duncroft a few years before him, and witnessed abuse of many kinds. chemical cosh's, solitary confinement, drunken staff/doctors/psychiatrists,so these "revelations" are not surprising. also i would like to know why so many messages on friends reunited about duncroft have been deleted? please lets learn from the past and the present to provide a safer happier future for vulnerable children and adults.NOW, not a witchhunt, but protect our vulnerable human beings.it's always said after an expose, lessons must be learnt, lets LEARN and act

That's very brave of you to speak out Hazel, and very well said :-)

I echo Lynda's comment, how brave you are Hazel to speak out - I hope lessons are learnt but sadly they rarely are - these paedophiles are a cunning lot and we should have a far more rigorous screening of anyone who has charge of youngsters

It seems as if anger has been turned away from Jimmy Savile on this thread and is now directed at me.

I am quite happy to answer questions you raise about my "friends" in India, but not sure I see the point of your anger or the "steam coming out of ears". I thought my experience, particularly my close friendship with Savile's assistant till after the funeral, would have relevance.

But clearly one or two want to tell me what a horrible person I am. Che sera, sera. ;-)

not really John - get over yourself

FFS this thread isn't about YOU John, you're not that important.

So sorry about your son's experience Ann, lets hope that the vile "man" is soon behind bars. Such a shame that some people who work with children, are only in that job because of there unhealthy interest in them. My eyes were opened to this a few years back, when working, I've now so wary of people who work with children, awful thing to say, as I worked in that field :-(

How unfortunate that the families of these disgusting individuals have to suffer too.

I have steam coming out of my ears because your post suggests all gay men are paedophiles ..WHICH THEY ARE NOT!!!

Now if you had referred to your friends as 'sicko', 'pervy', 'twisted' instead of just 'gay' I wouldn't have a problem.

This thread isn't about YOU Sue, you're not that important. ;-) For the record, they told me they were gay, their behaviour and conversation seemed to tell me they were importuning young boys. But I did not witness anything of a sexual nature.