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I feel they should be banned - you do not know who is wearing them, it could be anyone.
Did anyone read in today's paper about a blind person and guide dog being turned off of a bus, the driver was Muslim and they consider dogs unclean
Liz

Karen, I have a problem with people wearing dark sunglasses too.

for me it really is treat everyone the same.a lady where i come from years ago had a little moped .she was in the sally army.and got done for wearing a hat instead of a crash hat.yet some were allowed turbans .
what was funnier was it was my mates mum .she cringed everytime it went in the local paper.lol

I heard a Muslim cleric state this morning that there is no religious statement that requires woman to wear a burka. It appears to be a tradition from centuries past and could certainly be dropped without contravening any dictat.

To be honest I don't feel comfortable around, for me, strange garments, well not in the UK. Perhaps I am just less tolerent than others.

Sue x

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I think i would like to see the Burkha banned , Especially those wearing it
whilst driving , dangerous in my opinion , Common sense should tell anyone NOT to obscure their vision whilst driving ,
We have thousands of Burkha wearers here in Liverpool , which doesn't bother me in the slightest BUT when i engage in a conversation i like eye contact , I also feel " strange " when talking to anyone wearing sun glasses , i need to see their eyes lol.

I don't feel uncomfortable around people whose faces, in particular mouths and most of their eyes are covered. I just can't communicate with them When you have a hearing problem, despite wearing aids, you need to be able to 'read' the face to understand what people are saying. I had the same problem when Spanish security were all wearing masks because of swine flu. Therefore if I am served in a shop by a girl whose face is covered I keep my head down in case she tries to speak to me when I know I will neither hear nor understand her.

As we, the British, have been priding ourselves on our tolerance since the late 17th century, we would look pretty stupid if we banned the burka.

I hope never to live in a country where the government dictates what women can and can't wear.

I do feel a bit uncomfortable around women wearing the niqab or the burqa but that's my problem.

I feel less uncomfortable around them than a crowd of drunken men wearing football shirts.

Gwynne

Rose, I agree.... I know from someone I was having treatment with... she had a baseball cap pulled right down over her head, and was asked to leave the shop because she refused to remove it... she was furious, but did exactly what I would have done... pulled it off whilst making a very very loud fuss, and attracting lots of attention.... guess who was more embarrassed? lol Not her, I can tell you.... I went proudly bald!! But she didn't want to... her head got cold.

I have to deal with the discomfort I feel when with someone whose face is covered for a clearly non-medical reason.... I find myself averting my eyes, and speaking to the ground... that is my problem, I know.

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Daff xxxx

I dont think the woman who wore a mask to cover her injuries from the London incident actually covered all of her face, a lot of our law is being changed to accommodate people coming to live here and i think it`s wrong, if you went to live in their country they certainly would not change their laws for you,we are a tolerant people, but we are having quite a few things we could say and do curbed for immigrants, sorry but if they choose to live here in this country they abide by our law`s which have been in place for a good many years and have served us well, and not insist they be changed because they dont like them .

um rose ,you seem angry???
this is a simple debate no big crisis just a debate .would be nice if theres no upset.thats all.

now back to the question you asked ,the basic idea of this thread was do we go by the rules as a whole or not.look at msn.thats the idea behind this thread.
you havde a valid point with regards to the woman who may have been burned in the london bombings ,
but for me i still stand by what i feel.we should all have the same rules ,not one rule for one and one for another

Actually no Rose, that would be going too far.

A mask of that sort is so in the minority it would create attention when a person is seen out wearing one.

Its highly unlikey someone would use that sort of disguise to cause harm as they would rather blend in with the "norm" (in this case facial Burka masks which we hardly bat an eyelid to now,)

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Well said Daff.I am with you on everything you said there.

Question...would you have banned the woman who had to wear a face mask to cover her burns after the London bombings? should she have been kept indoors in case she was a 'terrorist in disguise'? or would that be an exception and she could've carried a 'legal document ' excusing her from showing her face in public?

One law for us all ... so it has to be followed by everyone .....doesn't it?

I find the hiding of a face very uncomfortable, whether from a veil, from a crash helmet or from huge sunglasses (indoors, the latter, not outside, obviously)

BUT there is no law at all against covering up the face, none whatsoever.

Companies and organisations, shops, banks etc etc have the right to prohibit entry to those who obscure their faces, but there is no outright law against it.

To make a new law prohibiting the wearing of the veil, would be discriminatory in terms of sex and culture... and would also be counter productive, I think.

If I were to be told by anyone, what I can a cannot wear, then I would take it to the very highest court. It would be dictatorial, and extreme. And I would go to jail for the fight to have the right to wear it.

I mean... why not go the whole hog, and ban all body building in case they turn into A Moat? I mean, the risk is there, isn't it? Bodybuilding and all those steroids making them angry!

Or even all men between the ages of 17 and 26 banned from learning to drive, or owning a car, as that is the most likely age for a car accident involving death.

Or shall we imprison all teenagers, put them in a curfew, so that the ones who are inclined to do so, cannot mug, or drink on the streets, or become involved in anti social behaviour.

Each of those arguments may sound ridiculous, but they have as much validity as banning a very very tiny group of women from wearing the Burka.

I happen to believe that the Burka is an item of clothing that in itself is a form of control over a woman... but I still believe that a woman has the right to choose to wear it if she wishes, but if she is made to wear it, by the men in her life, then there has to be a way of protecting her in her decision not to wear it.

And if shops, banks, shopping malls wish to have a sign above the door denying access to those who cover their faces with a veil or with any item of clothing which obscures their face, then they have that right, too... but it must not be aimed just at women who wear the Burka... that, as I said, would be rascists and sexist.

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Daff xxxxx

Banning the wearing of burkas in public would be "rather un-British", the Immigration Minister said as he attacked efforts to make it illegal in this country.

Damian Green said it would be "undesirable" for Parliament to try to pass such a law which would be at odds with the UK's "tolerant and mutually respectful society".

Fellow Tory MP Philip Hollobone has introduced a private members' bill which would make it illegal for people to cover their faces in public.

More than two thirds of voters back a ban like that approved almost unanimously by French MPs last week, according to a recent opinion poll.

But Mr Green insisted such a move was "very unlikely" to be copied here."Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do," he told the Sunday Telegraph.

which is what this is about .look on msn .thats where i got this from .i just thought hey thats a good topic ,i,ll stick that up.

hey you guys want me to stick you a thread up so you can bite there .this is about everyones views ........like as in everyone.now be good.lol

rose...in dubai you have to be covered up.they dont like peeps flashing there bits .which is fine .should i go to dubai i will refrain from dangling me bits .

rose and eddie behave ...lolol.all opinions are welcome .its called a debate.
and again i agree with our reggie.if i went to another country i would respect there rules .its called good manners and respect.
the covering up of a face wether it be hoodie or burka or helmet should be used by everyone .not some .thats my opinion .[cos i can have them .]