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Banning the wearing of burkas in public would be "rather un-British", the Immigration Minister said as he attacked efforts to make it illegal in this country.

Damian Green said it would be "undesirable" for Parliament to try to pass such a law which would be at odds with the UK's "tolerant and mutually respectful society"

WHAT DO YOU THINK.

As long as you don,t conceal your face no problem, but if you have to take off crash hats in shops and hoods, why should anyone be different.? its not as if its a requirement in religeon.to me its a try on,yet again,**M**.

SORRY FOLKS
but due the terrorists today
i think ban them

when in rome do as the romans do
if they dont like it move back to where their famies came from
where they are allowed

and those who wont wear a crash helmet
should be banned from riding a moter bike
the laws the law

im with our reggie on this one.
when in rome ......
we have so much politically correct stuff thrown at us ,i feel it should cut the same both ways .its a respect for our country as a whole from everyone,not just some.

point taken rose ,but for me i feel its wrong to treat some different to others ,it can breed hatred .
this is england and we should all tow the line with regards to rules .not change them for others who choose to live here.

I think these sort of bans are born of fear and ignorance as much as anything. Wouldn't it be better to understand WHY some women want to wear them - as long as the wearer is willing to reveal her face to ascertain identity, where relevant, I don't see a problem with them.

Joy - surely, by banning them you ARE treating some differently to others.

when i was in egypt
i respected their custums and covered up at the temples

if a ban kept one person safe thats fine with me

The point thats being made is that when the whole face is obscured, there is no telling who is behind the mask. Known suspects can be identified by cctv - that includes potential terrorists who are being observed before action is taken.

I agree you dont get many women in burkas blowing themselves up over here,

BUT it could be a grand disguise for someone who is intent on causing mayham, I mean a bloke could easily get away with posing as a woman having covered himself up 99% including his face.

If the many innocent hoodie wearing youths are forced to take of their hoodys , and bikers forced to take off their helmets in some public places.

Then the same rule should apply to everyone regardless for colour race or religion.

I personally think they should not be talking about banning the burka. It should be banning the covering of the face in banks, post offices, security at airports, in fact anywhere that the face is required to identify somebody. Banning the burka makes it anti their religion, banning face coverings would be to comply with security and identity.

Rose, wasn't there a jewellers that was bburgled by a man wearing a burks, because they thought it was a woman they released the door lock.

rose and eddie behave ...lolol.all opinions are welcome .its called a debate.
and again i agree with our reggie.if i went to another country i would respect there rules .its called good manners and respect.
the covering up of a face wether it be hoodie or burka or helmet should be used by everyone .not some .thats my opinion .[cos i can have them .]

rose...in dubai you have to be covered up.they dont like peeps flashing there bits .which is fine .should i go to dubai i will refrain from dangling me bits .

hey you guys want me to stick you a thread up so you can bite there .this is about everyones views ........like as in everyone.now be good.lol

which is what this is about .look on msn .thats where i got this from .i just thought hey thats a good topic ,i,ll stick that up.

Banning the wearing of burkas in public would be "rather un-British", the Immigration Minister said as he attacked efforts to make it illegal in this country.

Damian Green said it would be "undesirable" for Parliament to try to pass such a law which would be at odds with the UK's "tolerant and mutually respectful society".

Fellow Tory MP Philip Hollobone has introduced a private members' bill which would make it illegal for people to cover their faces in public.

More than two thirds of voters back a ban like that approved almost unanimously by French MPs last week, according to a recent opinion poll.

But Mr Green insisted such a move was "very unlikely" to be copied here."Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do," he told the Sunday Telegraph.

I find the hiding of a face very uncomfortable, whether from a veil, from a crash helmet or from huge sunglasses (indoors, the latter, not outside, obviously)

BUT there is no law at all against covering up the face, none whatsoever.

Companies and organisations, shops, banks etc etc have the right to prohibit entry to those who obscure their faces, but there is no outright law against it.

To make a new law prohibiting the wearing of the veil, would be discriminatory in terms of sex and culture... and would also be counter productive, I think.

If I were to be told by anyone, what I can a cannot wear, then I would take it to the very highest court. It would be dictatorial, and extreme. And I would go to jail for the fight to have the right to wear it.

I mean... why not go the whole hog, and ban all body building in case they turn into A Moat? I mean, the risk is there, isn't it? Bodybuilding and all those steroids making them angry!

Or even all men between the ages of 17 and 26 banned from learning to drive, or owning a car, as that is the most likely age for a car accident involving death.

Or shall we imprison all teenagers, put them in a curfew, so that the ones who are inclined to do so, cannot mug, or drink on the streets, or become involved in anti social behaviour.

Each of those arguments may sound ridiculous, but they have as much validity as banning a very very tiny group of women from wearing the Burka.

I happen to believe that the Burka is an item of clothing that in itself is a form of control over a woman... but I still believe that a woman has the right to choose to wear it if she wishes, but if she is made to wear it, by the men in her life, then there has to be a way of protecting her in her decision not to wear it.

And if shops, banks, shopping malls wish to have a sign above the door denying access to those who cover their faces with a veil or with any item of clothing which obscures their face, then they have that right, too... but it must not be aimed just at women who wear the Burka... that, as I said, would be rascists and sexist.

Love

Daff xxxxx

Question...would you have banned the woman who had to wear a face mask to cover her burns after the London bombings? should she have been kept indoors in case she was a 'terrorist in disguise'? or would that be an exception and she could've carried a 'legal document ' excusing her from showing her face in public?

One law for us all ... so it has to be followed by everyone .....doesn't it?

Well said Daff.I am with you on everything you said there.

Actually no Rose, that would be going too far.

A mask of that sort is so in the minority it would create attention when a person is seen out wearing one.

Its highly unlikey someone would use that sort of disguise to cause harm as they would rather blend in with the "norm" (in this case facial Burka masks which we hardly bat an eyelid to now,)

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um rose ,you seem angry???
this is a simple debate no big crisis just a debate .would be nice if theres no upset.thats all.

now back to the question you asked ,the basic idea of this thread was do we go by the rules as a whole or not.look at msn.thats the idea behind this thread.
you havde a valid point with regards to the woman who may have been burned in the london bombings ,
but for me i still stand by what i feel.we should all have the same rules ,not one rule for one and one for another

I dont think the woman who wore a mask to cover her injuries from the London incident actually covered all of her face, a lot of our law is being changed to accommodate people coming to live here and i think it`s wrong, if you went to live in their country they certainly would not change their laws for you,we are a tolerant people, but we are having quite a few things we could say and do curbed for immigrants, sorry but if they choose to live here in this country they abide by our law`s which have been in place for a good many years and have served us well, and not insist they be changed because they dont like them .