General Chat

Fairy -
Of course clothes are worn underneath the burqa, as the burqa is worn only when in public. I suppose it's a bit like us putting a coat on. When at home, it is removed. Or, if in the company of females only, ie visiting a friend at her house, then it can be removed.

K

lol like any woman wants to have to wear a set of clothes followed by a full burka dress and mask in 31 degrees ... we wanst born with clothes so why should we wear them lol we should all get naked pmsl

Uzzi, you are just being offensive.

"They are now in country of choice ......and please don't give me the crap some where born here..... it is still the country of choice and that country isn't Islamic ..If they wanted to be Islamic why not stay where they are? ....Don't ask another country and faith to give you shelter and then expect them to change their laws to suit you."

Are you a permanent resident / citizen of the country where you now live? Could you just up and move somewhere and live there permanently because you felt like it? That's not generally how immigration works. People born in the UK very likely cannot just up and "choose" another country.

In that respect, you're just not making any sense. A country of birth isn't a country of choice unless there is another choice available.

Who is asking "another faith" to give anyone shelter? Who is asking that anyone change any laws to suit anyone? Again, you aren't making sense.

People born in a country and people who have lawfully immigrated to a country have rights in that country. They're not asking "another faith" to do anything. They are citizens with rights. You really, really, really need to remember that there have been non-Anglicans in England for a very very long time. You are teetering on the edge of bigotry, if not falling over it, plain and simple.

As a child, when I regularly attended Mass, I remember ALL the ladies wore a head covering to church – be it a scarf, veil or hat. Now, was that because the Bible said we must do that? Did all the husbands FORCE their wives to cover their heads? Or was it out of respect and tradition I wonder? A belief that a good and respectful thing was being done.

And going to church in my ‘Sunday Best’, was that because the Bible said I must do that? I rather think it was because I had been taught that a certain respect and custom was to be shown. For sure I would not have gone there in my shorts and a revealing top, bearing midriff and cleavage. Nuns cover their hair and body with long loose fitting clothing, and we wouldn’t dream of asking them to bare their heads.

So isn’t the wearing of a burqa for much the same reason - respect, decorum, custom, tradition? The custom is that no male outside the immediate family must see the female form or face, so they cover when out in public – for those of you who don’t know, it is taken off inside the home.

I have been to all female parties/dinners/gatherings in Saudi (yes, they’re quite common) where burqas, abbayas and veils have been discarded completely, but as soon as it is signaled that a man might be entering the room (and it must be signalled) , the garments are swiftly thrown over to cover all. I can also tell you that what many Muslim women wear underneath those burqas when attending such social functions is often of the most provocative nature. But that’s a whole other story!

Jupiter Joy, sorry, this is just weird:

"but when our countrys at risk at the moment safety does come first .in saying that just because 2 guys go around shooting folks does,nt mean to say guns should be banned"

People with guns DO kill and HAVE killed many people (and robbed others, and injured others).

When you compare people with guns to people wearing burqas, people with guns are clearly the much greater threat, statistically.

And yet it's the burqas you want to ban ...


Oh, and -- many of us would look better in a burqa than in heels. ;) Depending on what standard one is applying, of course!

i,d look better in heels than a burka

I think a lot of people might like to read the article other-Joy suggested:

http://www.q-news.com/media-DailyMail-Burka.htm

Also, just as a matter of plain fact, NOT all women wear the burqa because they are directly compelled to.

All of us do a lot of things because we are *indirectly* compelled to by tradition or social pressure. If we were not subject to pressure from society or family, why would any of us wear tops at the beach?

And if we do wear tops at the beach -- or if we wear makeup or high heels, or our grandmothers didn't wear trousers -- it isn't because our male family members are going to stone us to death if we do or don't do any of those things.

No one should assume that to be the reason why any particular individual woman wears a burqa.

*I* don't think there are any good reasons for wearing it. But then I don't think there are any good reasons for wearing high heels, either.

Difficult one, this

My first reaction is to say that banning anything isn't what this country's about

On the other hand, neither is forcing anyone to do anything against their will. Enforced marriages spring to mind.

If women wear the burqa of their own free will, then that's find with me. But if they're forced to do so, then that's altogether wrong,

As you can see, I'm not sure of the answer to any of this

Sue x

rose ........lolol........identity parade .pmsl

I work with a chap who's wife wear's a burka , its nothing to do with religion what so ever .. its all to do with Control .. Men make their wives wear them so that oher men wont look an them in ant sexual way ... so i say Ban them .. its nothing more than abuse .. also if someone was mugged abused , by someone in a Burka how would they hold an identity parade ?
Rosex

I had to wear one for the 3 years I lived in Saudi Arabia.!!!!...well actually it wasn't a Burqa, because foreign women didn't have to cover their faces, so I wore the Abbaya which is just the cape/cloak, and not the whole head attachment thingy with mesh look-out. Thank goodness.

It does have advantages, believe it or not!
ie those days when you can't decide what to wear? You can just stick any old thing on and then throw the abbaya over the top and off you trot down to the shops, nobody being any the wiser that you've got yer jammies on underneath!!
Having a bad hair day? Just throw the head scarf on, who's going to see your hair??!!
Can't decide what colour scheme to wear today? No matter, the Abbaya comes in any shade you like - black, black or....hmmmm....let's see, umm black.

your normal muslim community are peacefull people.they hate violence.its the extremists that are the problem.who hide behind the innocent.but anyone can hide behind a burka.black white ...anyone.

I'm assuming you're being ironic Dermot ...

If not, is that because the people who are civilised and trustworthy are so because they are decent people? What does it have to do with their faith?

Jill

We are sometimes surprised to discover that followers of other faiths (or none) can be as civilised & trustworthy as ourselves, if not more so.

Uzzi the girl on tv two minutes ago was born here, many Muslims are...this IS the country of their birth. Just as it is mine.

I might choose to be a Catholic...this isn't a 'Catholic' country
I might choose to convert to Judaism..this isn't a 'Jewish' country

what has that to do with where I 'should' live..If I decide to be a Catholic must i go to Italy? Should I head for Jerusalem if I follow Judaism? If I am an aetheist must I go live with Eldrick....

we either have religious freedom or we don't... applying to us all , if the day comes when a citizen of this country has to leave it to follow their religion of choice ( or the right to believe in NO religion) , i will be first out of it!

With you on that one Karen.
Carol

i deffo think auntie doris,s hat .

I just don’t see how anyplace can pass a law “Ban the Burqa”, this is surely a phrase coined by the Press. Talk about discriminatory!!

If anything, it should be “Ban the Face Covering” which would then apply to anyone, and encompass religious beliefs, culture, sex, nationality, personal choice, motoring laws, and my auntie Doris’s best hat for Sunday Mass.

K

okay no need to ban the Burkas but each company (as they are allowed to do now) ban the fullhelmet, hoodie and all tings that cover the full face etc from their premises.

Sorry I know this may be their religion but that is in the country of birth. They are now in country of choice ......and please don't give me the crap some where born here..... it is still the country of choice and that country isn't Islamic ..If they wanted to be Islamic why not stay where they are? ....Don't ask another country and faith to give you shelter and then expect them to change their laws to suit you.

Ban the Burka no but allow every business to refuse it's entry the same way as they can cycling helmets and full facial masks.

All I know is I worked on a reception desk. if somebody approached me with a crash helmet on I would stand back and ask them to remove it, if not I would not talk to them till they did, likewise a burka why not what is the difference?
Carol