General Chat

lmao........ love it :-)

LOL oh bless whoever did that.... :)))))))))

Brilliant PMSL!!!

I am sure the last few comments weren't edited...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=topvideos

I *love* this

Uggers, that wasnt' what I meant. I meant the reason for voting BNP is possibly more based on immigration concerns (and protest against the current government) rather than racism. Of course there is racism, that's how the party came to be in the first place, and sadly there are still many many racist crimes committed every day.

Racism is wrong, but it exists, and I'm sure the majority are not burying their heads on the issue, but concerns over the high level of immigration is another thing altogether, its an economic problem and one I believe needs to be addressed, but definitely NOT by voting BNP. However I do believe that some think that is the way to go.

Doubt it will happen in my lifetime but I do wonder if the BNP will become more mainstream in time.

Plaid Cymru are now accepted as a serious political party and hold many seats in Wales. They were extremists not too long ago.

If anyone has attended a Daffyd Iwan concert the English bashing was rife and caused much merriment among the audience. I have met him four times and he was always very pleasant to me personally. However, such a high profile entertainer could and did encourage many indigenous Welsh to 'the cause'.

I'll sit and watch with interest. The great British public can be a fickle lot!

Sue x

I disagree, Teresa - there's a lot of racism around. I know the BNP are feeding on the amount of tabloid induced panic about immigrancy that's about but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of racism.

I think it's immigration too TW.

Voter apathy will be the key to this election I think.........THAT is the reason why they'd be likely to gain a seat imho xx

I think immigration is the key factor here, rather than inherant racism. Many people are concerned that we are accepting so many immigrants when there are already problems with rising unemployment and housing shortages. That doesn't mean that anyone who has those concerns would vote BNP, I certainly wouldn't.

Secondly, polls like that mean very little, but one fifth....that's a low risk really against mainstream politics, and I have a feeling that, as with many people who voted in the last euro elections, they were protest votes. Come the general election, I really think that proportion of voters will be considerably lower.

So........ a fifth of 1,314 electors will vote BNP, or at least seriously consider it. I don't think I'll lose any sleep over the possibility of Mr Griffin getting to be PM.

Btw, yet again, I have to agree with Uggers.

I saw this on the news this morning, Muffy. I'm not sure it's right to assume that the fifth who would consider voting for the BNP are stupid in the sense that they were particularly swayed by Nick Griffin's appearance - I suspect it's more to do with the fact that at least a fifth of the population are racist and homophobic or they feel strongly about immigration and not strongly about race and sexuality.

Looks like I may be one 'indigenous brit' who may be on the boat out of here then ...... back to the land of my other gt grandfather I think :)

Taken from Sky Breaking News:

More than a fifth of voters would consider voting for the British National Party according to the first opinion poll taken since the controversial appearance of Nick Griffin on Question Time.

Taken in the hours after Mr Griffin's appearance, the YouGov poll for The Daily Telegraph found 22% of voters would seriously consider voting BNP in a future local, general or European election.

Two thirds said they would never vote BNP under any circumstances, with the rest unsure.

More than half of those questioned said that they agreed with the BNP, or thought that the party had a point, in wishing to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people which successive governments have done too little to protect.

This included 43% who said that while they shared some of its concerns, they had no sympathy for the party itself.

Twelve per cent said that they completely agreed with the BNP and supported the party's decision to speak up, while 38% said that they disagreed totally with the BNP's political outlook.

The figures are based on a sample of 1,314 electors across Britain interviewed online from October 22-23.


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I had a feeling that the approach used by the panelists and Dimbleby would backfire......which is a bl**dy shame as they had the perfect chance to really make a difference there......
a lot of comments I overheard about the show in the playground yesterday bear this out (parents talking not children of course)x

***edit**** having said all that I can't find a poll that was taken BEFORE the programme to compare stats......will keep looking....

Hi Kaz,
I think you'll find that that law only applies in Germany.

Steve
:o)

Hi all,
Just thinking back about the debate last night (night before lol) and I don't think I was aware that it was against the law to 'deny' the holocaust.

I do not understand anyone wanting to deny it but surely that law is so undemocratic and against the principles of freedom of speech.

Where did it come from??

Kaz :o)

I watched the show with great interest, aside from the Idiot that showed that his party were modern day fascists and have no party policy that’s remotely interesting to the main electorate (and thankfully did a massive amount of damage to his own party for which I am eternally grateful) but I also found the other panellists very interesting.

Baroness Warsi was very articulate and intelligent and held herself well until towards the end, and for me saying anything good about a Tory is something I promise you, its a shame she let slip she was a homophobe!! However, she had some very good responses, although you would have to blind, gag and hit with a cat o nine tails to even consider voting Tory…she held her ground well.

Jack straw I felt let us down somewhat but I give him double brownie points for proposing Nick to offer his thoughts on the Holocaust without any legal implication as Justice minister - Nick again showed himself up.

Chris Huhne for the Lib Dems was very quiet but when he spoke he also had valid points but I feel he should have made his presence stronger.

But for Me Bonnie Greer – I admit my ignorance of not knowing about her before the programme, but boy if I could wish for someone as a dinner guest at my house I would love her to come. She reeled the idiot in and spat him out for breakfast; she was incredibly well mannered and very articulate and whipped his arse!!!

I so want to find out more about this woman she is a figure to look up to and very very quick-witted and entertaining.

I don't think there are many TV companies that would be willing to pay the security fees Uggers lol xx

No, honestly Kim Nick Griffin is middle class. He was born in Suffolk, to a wealthy family, and was privately educated before going to Cambridge. He certainly isn't respectable, but don't let that confuse you.

I do agree that that's needed, Muffy even if I was happy with last night's programme - do you think he or other BNP members will appear again now in more usual programmes?