General Chat

I think we're of one mind, then, Anne

Good to chat with you.

Good night,

Lol Sue

A decent night's debate - and not a pmsl in sight!

Long may it continue


Lol Sue

Sue

I, in no way, 'blame social services'!

I just feel that if there is any doubt,whatsoever, that a child is in danger that he/she should be removed from it's parents.

Goodnight all :) am away to my bed (when I have put the bedding on it ...ooops ! )

sleep well

xx

Hi Suzian ...yep and the red tape and bureaucracy

doesn't help one bit either.

night x

I so much don't disagree Anne.

No-one in their right minds wants to see a single child suffer that way.

I'm only trying to point out that the world is far from black and white. We can blame social services until the cows come home, but if they are under-funded (which means, in human terms, that individuals like you and I are worked to the ground) then we really do have to take a modicum of collective responsibility.

So, next time the council tax goes up, let's hear a little less bleating.......

Lol Sue

I'm off to bed too - goodnight everyone

Goodnight Sue 2 - take care

Its time I was off to bed night all.

Im getting confused with all the Sues lol


nite tc

luv sue x

Hi Sue2

I quite agree. The idea of Children's Boards was borne out of an aspiration for better communication. A laudable idea, but it was predicated on form, not function.

And there's more than a bit of PC at work here.

Lol Sue

Sue

can I repeat that it is better to remove children and return them than to have an undertaker remove them?

Perhaps Anne

But on the other hand how many Panorama programmes about children being taken from their parents without cause have you seen?

That's the trouble with a witch hunt - it produces witches, not causes.

Lol Sue

No social workers are not inhumane they are in the thick of it and sometimes cant do right for doing wrong. I for one wouldnt have thier job for any money.

However those injurys were so suspicious it isnt true and the doctor who allowed him to go home with broken ribs and a broken back !!!!

I blame PC for some of it as it gets in the way

'Safeguarding Children' is high on the agenda in my work just now and lack of communication is a big problem.....people dont like confronting the problem but it has to be done sometimes. The child MUST come first .

Sue
how many social workers does it take to say 'that child needs help'?

I know the system is under provided for financially but is it not better to remove a child and then return it to it's parents than to fail to remove a child and then have an undertaker remove it?
Anne

I agree Rose and I feel I have done just that with my 2 but not easy despite having a great support network. I am proud of the way they have grown into respectful, mature caring members of society. Also that my grandchildren are heading the same way :)

As for others they are not so fortunate and need support from society but dont always get it . I see this all too often in my job. There has been great improvemnt but we (yes we) can do better .

The recent events should not in my opion have happened . The warning signals were there for long enough and that child should of been removed to a place of safety . I cant understand why he was not .

I don't disagree with you, Anne, but what if there are too many potential Baby Ps and too few social workers?

After all, I don't believe that social workers are inhumane monsters, and I don't suppose you do either.

Which leads me on to think that perhaps social services need more staff and therefore society needs to dish out a bit more cash to pay for same.


Lol Sue

I know social services try their best to keep children with the family or for things to be sorted out because that's the ideal.

Trouble is there is outcry when children are taken into care and outcry when they aren't. I suppose we hear about these because 'Social Services successfully helps child' doesn't interest anyone. They're only human beings and it's just so sad that when they (or the system) fails it has such terrible consequences.

I agree, Anne.

Sue
I'm afraid I think that a child with injuries (like baby P) should be treated as 'suspicious' no matter what excuses the mother gives to the authorities!

Hi Anne and Uggers

I think you're both right, but I guess the real question is - who decides that the parent(s) aren't doing the right thing, and when does the state take over?

It must be obvious where this question is coming from - and I'm not trying to subscribe blame to any one party. (although in this case the blame is obvious) but, more to the point, what could we (and I do mean we) have done differently?


Lol Sue

just read my post back ....didnt mean baby p's

parents ...... was just generalising


crawls back to corner .....