Genealogy Chat

Rebekah.
You know Williams father is called John from his marriage cert. The birth cert for William you have is the wrong one because that one does not have a fathers name.( we have all done that). Working his age out from the census it appears he was born before registration as found by Portland Rose.

The IGI info with the batch no.gives you the baptisms of the children on the 1841 census who have a father John occ agricultural labourer

THe occupation of his father on the marriage certificate says he was a labourer as was William.

Just for clarity; the Registration District of MIDHURST covers part of Sussex, and up to 1844 the part of Hampshire containing North Ambersham and South Ambersham. So up to 1844 describing Midhurst as in the Countries of Sussex and Southampton would be correct.

So "Salop" on the certificate is definitely wrong.

In 1844 the county boundary changed so that these two places were moved from Hampshire into Sussex.

BTW historically the county was "Southamptonshire" which over time became "Hampshire"

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/midhurst.html

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Dave.

1851 census mistranscribed as Karey.
The child Ellen Stacey dau.1847 Farnham. I would have thought her"mother" Ann would be too old to have her at age 52

This is probably the marriage:

JOHN STACEY
Marriages:
Spouse: ANNE POULTER Family
Marriage: 25 SEP 1814 Binsted Near Alton, Hampshire, England

Rose

I just wanted to add the missing bits about not of the county and occupations and address. We now need Rebekah to repond

Stacey batch no for Farnham Surrey IGI CO69731

Margaret

Yes I agree thats the one I posted earlier

I agree with Portland Rose.
tracing back in the 1891 census William is born 1838 Farnham Surrey.


1841 census.
John Stacey 1896 n
ot of the county.occ ag.lab.
Ann 1896 not of the county
Jane 1826 Surrey.
Mary 1829 Surrey.
John 1832 Surrey.
Charles 1835 Surrey.
WILLIAM STACEY 1838 Surrey

address Willey Farnham Surrey

I think you have got the wrong birth cert as he wouldnt be registered.

What is Johns father Williams occupation from Johns marriage cert?

Seems your William was born before registration started:

From IGI:

WILLIAM STACEY
Christening: 19 NOV 1837 Farnham, Surrey, England

Parents:
Father: JOHN STACEY
Mother: ANNE

Rose

William in 1851:

1851 England Census
about William Karey
Name: William Karey
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Farnham
Ecclesiastical parish: Wrecclesham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a and 4c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Karey 56
Ellen Karey 4
John Karey 56
John Karey 19
Mary Karey 29
William Karey 13

Rose

If it's come typed from GRO, then the likelihood is that the original is not very clear.

Having said that, GRO quality control shouldn't allow out a certificate with nonsense on it. "sub district of midhurst in the counties of Salop and Southampton." doesn't make sense and they should know it.

I believe you should email GRO and quote their reference for the ordering transaction (it should be on the paperwork) and quote that bit that you have quoted to us, and ask for a sensible alternative. You shouldn't pay full price for something manifestly inaccurate!

Christine

I ordered the certificate from the gro.

From IGI:

WILLIAM STACEY OR TIMBERLEY
Christening: 10 FEB 1839 Midhurst, Sussex, England

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM TIMBERLEY Family
Mother: MARY ANNE STACEY

Rose

If it's typed then it must be a copy of the original. The original would have been handwritten.

Where did you order it from? The GRO or local office?

Rose

The word Salop is typed on the certificate.
I am not sure if somebody has made a mistake in typing when I ordered the certificate.

Rebecca,

I'm sure it says Sussex not Salop. The double S was written differently years ago.

Rose

I thnik it must be the one near Southampton as it is also not far from Farnham where they moved to.

I have not found any Salop in West Sussex and Shropshire seeems to be to far away from southampton to have them both on his birth certificate.

Many thanks to you all for your time and help.

Hi Rebekah
There is a Midhurst not far from Southampton so where does the Salop come into this. The old abbreviated name for Shropshire was Salop. Was there a Salop within West Sussex which has since disappeared?
Puzzled!
Paul

This is the best match I can see for William in 1841.And he does have a father John.

Go to go now, but think maybe you should check BMD for other William births in Surrey. Salop/Southampton doesnt sound right to me.

William Stacey
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Hundred: Farnham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Farnham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Stacey 45
Charles Stacey 6
Jane Stacey 15
John Stacey 45
John Stacey 9
Mary Stacey 12
William Stacey 3

Ok this looks like John in 1871.

WIlliam was born Wibsey???

John Stacey
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bourne, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Farnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Stacey 33
Harriett Stacey 13
Harry Stacey 7
John Stacey 2
William Stacey 32
William Stacey 5