Genealogy Chat

Potty

Very interesting website and I got a few hits on it. I think I need a couple of certs to help pull it all together.

Well done, Mary and Ivy.

Charles, there are quite a few parish records for Cheshire on this site: www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/.

Hi Mary and Charles,

Pure chance, I did a global Ancestry (co uk) search on Twy*r*l* and came up with these two in Wales.

It looks like at least one child went and to Victoria in Australia (several 20th electoral roll entries); and there are some locked entries for the US.

Does anyone have access to the Ancestry.com?

(Btw I have my doubts about the Elizabeth entry above - I can't find her in 1841, but there are several Twyfords in the Cheshire/Lancs/Wales borders area).

Logging off for the evening.

All the best

Hi Ivy

I saw that 1881 entry and was wondering about the brother in law reference. Perhaps Elizabeth is his sister.

The census retrurns show Joseph as being born in Chester. The IGI also gives us the following information:

1. Mary Twyerould - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 18 SEP 1812

2. Mary Twyerould - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 OCT 1812 St John The Baptist'S, Chester, Cheshire, England

3. John Twyerould - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 APR 1805 St John The Baptist'S, Chester, Cheshire, England

I also got some useful info off the lancashire bmd.

Definitely beginning to piece this one together

Well done, I was wondering where they were in 1881.

and this one from 1851, also in the Ruabon sub-registration district:

Name: Elizabeth Twycrole
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish or Township: Borras Hovah
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Ruabon
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Twycrole 59

The image is clearly Twycross. If there is any connection between this individual and your family, it can only be through the written appearance of the name with the old-fashioned ss appearing as fs, since the sound of these two surnames is completely different.

and these Welsh entries are interesting:

1881
Name: Joseph Twyerould
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Brother in Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Ruabon
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street address: 7 Forge Row
Condition as to marriage: Widow

Occupation: Retired Labourer

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Ruabon
ED, institution, or vessel: 17

Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Jones 59
Evan Jones 61
Mary Jane Jones 14
Joseph Twyerould 73

Wow!!!

Just had a look at the image and this is another transcription error I think.

Thanks a million for this. I think that, based on this I can start tracing the family certainly through the 19th century.

No sooner said than done :-)

1841 England Census
about Joseph Swysworth

Name: Joseph Swysworth
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Swysworth 30
Esther Swysworth 30
John Swysworth 11
Mary Swysworth 7
Sarah Swysworth 5
Joseph Swysworth 2
Samuel Swysworth 2 Mo

The child born c 1839 who's illegible on the 1851 census but transcribed as Thomas is actually Joseph - no doubt the one who married Martha.

So Joseph and Esther were the parents of Joseph b. 1839 and the grandparents of Joseph b. 1864.

You guys (generic sense) are amazing. You can see from the different spellings how tricky this one is.

Martha Twyerould (nee Williams) is the sister of my GG Grandmother. The families were quite close and I have written correspondance from my G. Grandmother to Joseph Twyerould. Joseph & Martha were also witnesses to my GG Grandmother's wedding.

Although the Williams family originated in Wigan, Martha and her brother George were born in India while Helena, my GG Grandmother is listed on the various censii as being born at sea (although there is an IGI entry for her being born in Bangalore).

While there is a possibility that the Twyerould family were overseas in 1841, I somehow doubt it as there are IGI and GRO entries showing them in England in the 1830s and 1841.

I am working on the hypothesis that there is a single Twyerould family with Joseph and Esther as the parents. Clearly, the best way to confirm this is to send away for certs which I will do but, initially, I wanted to establish a census and BMD trail.

In any event, thanks soooooooo much for your help so far. If anyone finds 1841, let me know ..... and, yes, I will still keept looking :)

Here's the Joseph born c1807 (now a widower) in 1871, living with his son James and daughter-in law Elizabeth and their children John and Joseph (the 3rd Joseph mentioned above, whose christening is shown in BIVRI). Grandfather Joseph is now a tripe dresser, and they're living at 21 West Street, Oldham.

1871 England Census
about Joseph Trozeronld

Name: Joseph Trozeronld
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 200
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Trozeronld 64
James Trozeronld 29
Elizabeth Trozeronld 37
Joseph Trozeronld 6
John Trozeronld 4

You have three different families here, each with a Joseph Twyerould.

The first Joseph was born in Chester c. 1807, married Esther, and had at least 5 children: Mary, Sarah, Thomas, Samuel and James. He appears in the 1851 and 1861 censuses shown above. He's a coal miner in 1851 and a fish dealer in 1861. Esther died in Oldham in 1866, aged 58, and Joseph died in Oldham in 1891 aged 85.

The second Joseph was born in Droylsden or Clayton, Lancs, was a joiner, married Martha (born Madras), and had at least two children, Joseph James and Dora Elizabeth.

The third Joseph was born in 1864, son of James and Elizabeth, and died in Oldham in 1902 aged 37.

I found this couple in Oldham in 1861:

1861 England Census
about Esther Troyerould

Name: Esther Troyerould
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitworth, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51

Household Members:
Name Age
Esther Troyerould 52
Joseph Troyerould 54


Joseph's a fish dealer, and they're living at 14 West Street, Oldham.

The image looks like Troywould.

Charles

Are you sure that is the right family in the 1851. Joseph isn't there. The image is really bad - I can't see how anyone got the name of Thos for the 12 year old!

Do you know Joseph and Martha's fathers' names?

1861 - searched using Martha, B1835, country - India, place - Madrass, Spouse name Joseph:

1861 England Census
about Martha D Twyrcould
Name: Martha D Twyrcould
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Madrase, India

Civil Parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 295
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Twyrcould 22
Martha D Twyrcould 26

Potty

Thanks for that. Just looked at the 1871 image and its definitely a transcription error.

I cannot find them in 1861 even though I know they were witnesses at a wedding in 1863 and married in 1859.

Margaret .....

Yes, I do. I have the family in the 1851 census and have picked them up in the IGI too. I would like to get the 1841 census record as a starting place and work forward and that is one of the places I am having some difficulty.

This is 1851

James 8
Thos
Twyerould 12
Esther Twyerould 42
Joseph Twyerould 44
Mary Twyerould 17
Samuel Twyerould 10
Sarah Twyerould 15


Edit: didn't notice the bottom of your last message. Never thought of Twpsould!!

Not surprised you couldn't find this; used Dora and parents first names, County Lancashire:

1871 England Census
about Dora Elizabeth Twpsould
Name: Dora Elizabeth Twpsould
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Martha Van
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
Dora Elizabeth Twpsould 2
Joseph Twpsould 32
Joseph James Twpsould 6 months
Martha Van Twpsould 36

you could also try cutting off the first half of the surname you are searching for...sometimes they are added onto the END of a page as a 'late entry' therefore would not show on the results page.
eg. if you are searching for the name DOPE
The page starts with surnames Dole
The last usual entry is Dope.
The 'late entry' pencilled in is Done
Therefor your search results might show DOLE to DONE.
'n' being BEFORE 'p' it might not recognise that do'p'e is on the page.
So make the search with the letter before OR without anything after at all i.e. Do

Make any sense?
I discovered this after months of searching for my own family birth entries and started thinking we were all adopted! :D...big difference to the years you need - but same principle I suspect

Do you have these, Charles? From BVRI:

STONE, William Coley Age: 26 Marriage
Wife: Dorah Elizabeth TWYEROULD Age: 23
Marriage Date: 30 Dec 1891 Recorded in: Poulton le Sands, Lancashire, England
Collection: Holy Trinity
Husband's Father: Charles Henry STONE
Wife's Father: Joseph TWYEROULD
Source: FHL Film 1526062 Dates: 1848 - 1900

TWYEROULD, Joseph Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1864
Christening Date: 5 Feb 1865 Recorded in: Denton, Lancashire, England
Collection: Christ Church
Father: James TWYEROULD
Mother: Elizabeth
Source: FHL Film 1550982 Dates: 1851 - 1908