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These are they on 1861 census

Charlotte Swift 7
George Swift 15
James Swift 5
Jane Swift 49
Jane Swift 13
Mary A Swift 10
William Swift 50
William Swift 18

Gail.

This might be the marriage of William and Jane

WILLIAM SWIFT
Marriages:
Spouse: JANE GITTUS Family
Marriage: 03 JUL 1839 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

I can't see a baptism for Jane but there are other children called Gittus being baptised in that same church some 20 years before Jane married and they are the children of a James and Elizabeth Gittus. If it were my tree I'd pencil them in my notes as possible siblings or cousins.

So Wendy that gives you some new leads to check and think about and some new surnames to research.

Sue

Wonder if William could have married Ann Allbutt

Ann Allbut 1864 Q3 Bromsgrove,
Volume: 6c
Page: 529

William Swift on same page.

Just seems very early.....

1861 census

Ann Albutt
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Servant
Where born: Bromsgrove, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Bromsgrove
Town: Bromsgrove
County/Island: Worcestershire

Ann Albutt 15
Sarah Tibbatts Knight 56
Stephen Knight 70
Thomas Tibbstts Knight 20

RG9; Piece: 2113; Folio: 99; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542919.

Gail..

I wondered about her Gail.

She does seem very early as you say. There ought to be more children if so.

Sue

Yes she does fit in nicely with the census details though, right age and place of birth.....along with hundreds of others probably...

Gail.

As I cannot see a Harry Louis Swift birth registration, the nearest one I can find is this one..

Harry Swift
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 120

Gail.

I quite fancy this earlier William (in IGI batch P020912) as the father of the William who married Jane. That gives us three generations of William Swifts and takes us back to Wendy's 3x great grandparents.

WILLM. SWIFT
Birth: 26 JAN 1811

Christening: 26 JAN 1812 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: WILL SWIFT
Mother: SARAH

Sue

Lets hope Wendy eventually comes back to tell us if we were on the right track...I might have to buy the certificate myself after all this.................lol

Gail.

LOL

Well it makes a change from chasing some of my own elusive ancestors.

Now if anyone wants a real brick wall how about my Thomas Bottomley/Bothamley living in Lincolnshire in 1841 of approximate age but born out of county about 1778 and dead before 1851 so I have no idea where to look!

Best wishes
Sue

ooh Gail

Look again at 1891 at who was the housekeeper!
ALBUT, Emma Housekeeper Single F 38 Housekeeper
Birmingham

Looks like a relation of Harry's dead mother was brought in to look after the kids.

Sue

This might be Ann Albutt

ANN ALLBUTT Birth: 01 FEB 1845

Christening: 03 MAR 1845 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ALLBUTT
Mother: MARIA

There were Albutts in Bromsgrove as early as the 1600s.

Nice little project sorting them out Wendy. Looks a promising tree.

Good luck
Sue

Oh Yes, I thought I had seen the name Albutt before - and don't forget I live in Lincolnshire so if you want me to nip to the record office and look for a burial (I know that won't tell you anything really, but you never know the vicar might have written 'comes from Whitstable' - I live in hope)..seriously though Sue if you want me to look for anything it is no problem..

Gail.

Thank you for that offer Gail. I'll remember that!

Well Wendy ...........are you there? We've managed to find you several generations back and some new branches for you to go off and explore.

Basically it means your tree goes like this so far:-

Generation 1 Harry Louis Swift (born 1879 Birmingham) married Florence Wingrove in 1906. He may have added the Louis later because he fancied it……people sometimes did that!

Generation 2 William Swift (b. 1844 Bromsgrove) married Ann b.1846 Bromsgrove d. 1888, probably nee Albutt and daughter of Thomas and Maria Albutt) Probable marriage to Ann Albutt in 1864 Bromsgrove. There is a possibility that there were two marriages both to an Ann as there is a William Swift/Ann Grainger marriage in Aston in 1872, but I cannot find a certain death of an Ann Swift to account for a first wife dying. I’d be tempted if I were you, and had spare cash, to buy the Ann Grainger marriage certificate in case William was a widower but only if I had enough to risk wasting £7.

Generation 3 William Swift (b. approx. 1811 Bromsgrove) married Jane b. approx 1812 (probably nee Gillus) Probable marriage in 1839 St Martin, Birmingham

Generation 4 William Swift married Sarah

Over to you and good luck.

Sue