Genealogy Chat

Hi, Robert!

Sorry that you seem to be a bit upset! But this answer really doesn't seem to be THAT simple to me. It seems to me that it involves a lot of copying, whichever way it is done.

Maybe the end results are worth it, but at the moment, there are other pressing needs.

However, if I ever get there I'll post a Success Story and you can tell me, you told me so in the first place! And then, I'll be able to thank you!

All the Best,
Lindy.

Wrong Lindy. You asked for help to get your information onto Genes in a simply way. We told you you need to produce a GedCom file, GR told you you needed a GedCom file. You did not do that (I even offered to do it for you!).

You said you 'have GedCom but haven't installed it yet'. You don't install GedCom you install a program that CREATES GedCom files, we still don't know if you have one of these, nor if you do which one!

You claim you can not install whatever it is you have
"it is my daughter's laptop and it would mean copying all programs and files on her laptop, to secure them, before loading GedCom. This requires her pemission ??**?? and time to do this !!**!!

I have worked with computers since aug 1970, and I'v never heard such c**p. Sure she can make a back-up if she is especially paranoid about installing a new program, but no more than the one she normally takes anyway.

Oh and Thanks for the thanks.

O.K. So conclusion - No one can help!

Hi, Ann (Heinz 57)

All Christians believe that they are the children of God!

However, this is not relevant at this stage of my tree! I still have a lot of work to do, making connections, etc. I just think it would be easier if I could see it on Genes and be able to plot a route more clearly!

It comes across from several postings that the English Records are far from full or correct, even at late at 1700, which, I think, goes to prove that Ireland was a much more civilised and advanced country, far earlier that the rest of Britain. Record keeping is an indication of civilisation. If the people were busy fighting, there was no time left for keeping records, education or building.

Lindy

My question over the point of Erse was really to TOM [4362244].

Hi All,

I am related to GOD. As for taking the Bible, as proof of anything, is a bit naive. How can you know that it isn't all made up. As for Adam and Eve.........

I am having difficulty, even getting back to the 1700's, with absolute proof they are my rellies. If I cant confirm they don't go on.

Hi, All!

Tom - Thanks for this. I had not thought of it! But,
unfortunately, spellings were not standardised
until much later. e.g. Mile, Milius, Mleadh is
actually pronounced Meelay! Erse is very
difficult to write!

Robert - If you read the previous postings, you'll find
out!

M. Steer - See original posting!

Tom - Apple too old, c 1990, well before USB
Memory Sticks!

Janet - Spooky! Our local church, which I always felt was dark, was refurbished about 150 years ago and the graves of about 100 men were found below the floor-boards! My own theory is that they were involved in the Jacobite Rebellion of 1746 and massacred. The local Minister was sympathetic and even though they were not supposed to be buried in consecrated ground, he hid them under the floor!

Another spooky experience - For the first time, I was travelling along a certain road, when, suddenly, I felt that I was coming home. Researching my ancestory, I found some people who lived near, but not near enough! Until, one day, I was logging in ancestors to my Genes Tree. Then I realise that one particular ancestor appeared 12 times! 12 times! And he live right beside the place where I felt I was coming home! Funny how you get a feeling, good or otherwise, about a place!

All the Best in your searches,
Lindy.

Lindy, Your problem with computers could possibly be overcome by purchasing a USB memory stick, you could plug it into your daughter's laptop, copy the info to the memory stick then transfer it to the Mac, presuming your 'old' Mac has a USB port and you're using 'Word ' on both.

Tom

Lindy, what was the reason for posting your Thread?

M. Steer

Lindy

We are looking for a forge demolished about 1910, yet nobody knows anything about it and yes it was there on Griiffiths and Tithe Aplotment maps. There are also famine roads and mass paths but nobody knows about them either so yes sadly this sort of info can disappear into the mists of time. One piece of ground near my O H farm in Ireland was always known as "holy ground", near to one of the sites of a 1798 rebellion massacre. When it was recently investigated it was found to contain at least 200 bodies but it has only recently been designated a proper burial ground for those that died during Cromwellian times, 1798 and Famine times. I have to say that I used to hate driving past it late at night, but since it has been consecrated I feel easier about it.

Sometimes people were called after places and I certainly have a couple of surnames that are also places but I have not done a serious study of this.

Janet NLB

Erse can be:

an alternate name for any Goidelic language, especially Irish, from Erisch.

Your point being?

Quote: A knowledge of Erse would help!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erse

Need we say more?...

;-)

Hi Lindy,

Seen Elvis recently?

Tom

Hi, Janet,

Thanks for this info.

And I do agree about names prefixed with Mac, Mc, M, O', ap, etc. or suffixed with 'son'.

Were families called after places or were places called after people? I have found that the people and places with the same name were the landowners. But which came first?

But it is amazing how place names survive over hundreds of years. I was looking for the site of an old Inn which had been demolished about 1850. I thought, 'No problem! That was only 150 years ago! Someone must know!' But none of the locals knew of it!!! No even the local Museum. I suspected it had been in a stand of trees, so I asked the local farmer about that part of his field. He didn't know but they had always called it 'The Garden'. From my research, I knew that the Inn had a beautiful garden, which supplied its needs. Ureka! There are still some dressed sand-stone blocks left lying around and a lovely little old bridge near by (still in use). But I still don't understand why the farmer didn't remove the few trees and blocks to staighten his field.

Other people were named after a physical characteristic, such as Brown (hair), White (hair), or dare I repeat .... Olill BENT-TOOTH !!!!! I think the Erse is more attractive with Olill Caishiaclach, but, of course, he didn't pass that name on to his children.

But all the different languages have interferred with the original spellings makes this line very confusing, e.g. Mile, Mileius, Mleadh, etc. A knowledge of Erse would help!

All the Best,
Lindy.

I know I was ribbing Lindy earlier, but I think a great deal of what she has said on the Irish side does make sense and those with Irish interests should take note.

If anybody gets the magazine "Ancestors" the official magazine produced by TNA then the November issue on this very subject is quite illuminating, and Paul, sorry to have to say that it is believed by some serious genealogists.

The article is entitled" Irish Surnames hold genealogical clues" and the article is written by Anthony Adolph.

It is s long article and I canot reproduce it here but I will try to summarise.

He talks about surnames initially created for tax purposes, but these have no tradition attached beyond place they came from or occupation.

BUT most Irish surnames contain an extraordinary amount of coded information that can unlock a treasure chest of genealogical lore. Some prefixed Mac Mc or M all meaning son of. There are also papponymics starting O' or Ui, meaning descendant of, or grandson of, but in the imposition of English in Ireland many Macs and O's were lost from names. During the Gaelic revival of late 19 century they were sometimes put back incorrectly..Having worked out the original surname, you can deduce the name of your family's eponymous ancestor, for example the man called Diarmada or Suileabhain from whom the Macdermots and O'Sullivans descend. More often than not this ancestor will appear in Ireland's ancient corpus of genealogical material. Irish pedigrees are part of the island's rich bardic tradition, whose collective memory stretched back far beyond the fifth century AD, when early christian monks began their recordings. The pedigrees were copied, updated and reworked constantly, until the 16 century.

There follows much more interesting info and then goes on to talk about where the person appears in an ancient pedigree. You may have an accurate descent connecting into the main stems of irish Genealogy that stretch back to the sons of Milesius, the legendry founders of Ireland in the second millenium BC, although most are probably based more in legend than historical fact.

he finishes the article with:

" Let the purists scoff, but in most countries, similar traditions were lost many centuries ago. After all, it's your history. whether or not you can satisfy the genealogical pedants with a proven pedigree through the 18 and 17 centuries or not".

The verdict would appear to be still very wide open and I agree, Lindy, it has not solved your problem .

Janet North London Borders

Hi, Sam

When I said 'relatives', I meant living relatives. But, maybe you can help with a little puzzle? My grandfather's birth certificate says that he was born in Ashbourne-Under-Lyme. I can't find this place on a map. Is it small? Or has it changed it's name?

Hi, Paul

We're all special agents with a mission to research as much as we can, as reliably as possible, with the material available at this time.

Some books are less reliable than others. George Buchanan's genealogy of James VI of Scotland and I of England is totally unreliable. He had his own political reasons for making it up.

So, take a look at Reliquae Celticae and see for yourself! If only for lovely names in it - Eochaid Broad-Joint, son of Olill Bent-Tooth, son of Connla Hard-Willed (c400-300 BC), to name but a few.

BUT all this does not help me with my original problem of entering them on my Genes Tree!!!! If I could do that then, everyone, anyone could see it and comment.

Lindy.

Come on Lindy, stop taking the 'proverbial'. We all know this 'Irish Kings' rubbish is pure fiction. Even the Queen can't trace her ancestry BC. No serious genealogist gives credence to this 'blarney'.

Hi again Lindy,

I too have relatives from Newcastle-under-Lyme! Hopefully they will be the same as the ones you have taken back so far - Pedley? No? Well never mind, it was a nice try.

Good luck in your research.

Sam (stuck in the 1700's!) x

Don't want to offend anyone so turn away now if you are of a delicate nature.

I've always fancied being a p*** artist :-)

Janet in Hertford

Hi Lindy

Ah, you are on my own wavelength with regard to the Irish and their civilised writings. I have always maintained that Ireland is a lot better educated than we English have ever given them credit for!

I found one of my Irish Ancestors, an apprentice baker in Limerick writing to a National Irish Newspaper in the 1850's, huge long letters, which poetic language was worthy of James Joyce and he was quoting many Celtic writers of note. I knew he had written 2 letters because he had said so, but I decided he had written many more and eventually found 6 altogether which I am putting together to form a project.

The Great Fire of London was 1666 but my lot were steeped in Northants and Hunts at this time, but they were linked in to the Dudleys, Treshams and Montague as they worked for these people, so I have possibilities to look at in those estate papers, but it is finding the time to get to the record offices. Yes, relating the people to the events is very interesting and I am left wondering which side my lot were on in the civil war which of course was fought all round Northants and Cromwell came from Hunts. As mine are also linked to the Treshams and Francis Tresham was linked to the Gunpowder Plot, I am also wondering and reading around that one. No,it does not bother me about linking into any particular inheritance as the whole exercise of getting this far back is quite humbling anyway. I was lucky that mine stayed around the same hamlets for a few centuries. I have a Smith/Smythe back to 1598 but again it was in the same small hamlet.

Interesting to have talked with you and I hope you sort out your problem.

Good luck Janet North London Borders