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Hi Andy
thank's for your reply, yes it is possible,but I would have find something to use as a checking point, as his wife is deceased by that time I might have the same problem as I have now, but I will take a look at them. Thank's Gill

Is it possible that William is missing from the 1861 census and is one of the William Procters who dies in 1864?

Thank's gwyn I really appricate all your efforts on my behalf. Go lie down in a darkened room now!!! lol Gill

Gwyn there is a small connection between William Dean age 15 and William Proctor. William Deans father William Dean was also born in Audley.

It doesn't add up, ..does it?

The William Dean presence makes me think that the death is for the Willam the potter who married Ann DEAN.

but your ancestors seem to link to the blacksmith marriage....and indeed why would a blacksmith ( 1851) suddenly die as a potter the following year.

Sorry I can't think straight now...I will mull over this though.

Could you check burial records to see who was buried with the 1852 death William?
Maybe that will identify whether it was your ancestors wife.
Gwyn

I have searched BMD from June qrt 1851 to March qrt 1861 for a William Proctor(er) and only found the one in 1852 and it's the right place, but why weren't one of his children presant at death??? He's a Blacksmith on 1841 and 1851 and yet a year later when he dies he's a Potter. If he had contracted asthma as a Blacksmith he would not have become a Potter iam sure,but then who knows there were know health & safty rules then !!!

Gwyn, they are mistranscibed on 1861 as Rocher.
1851
William Procter
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Audley, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Fenton Christchurch
Town: Fenton Culvert
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
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Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Procter 6
Francis Procter 18
Joseph Procter 3
Rachael Procter 22
Samuel Procter 30
William Procter 50
William Procter 8


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Even more muddled now!

The William and Sarah whose details in 1851 are above...are still alive in 1861 so the death cert. can't be him.


Gwyn

So we have 2 William Proctors b. Audley in 1851 census
1 is a blacksmith and the other is a potter.

Could you have got the death cert. of the 'other' William and not your ancestor?

Gwyn

just having a sandwich 5mins

Gwyn
My William is in Duke st Fenton!!

Is this your William in 1851....he is a potter

Name: William Proctor
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Audley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: Tunstall
Town: Tunstall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:Lime Street

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
Comeniah Proctor 8 *
Enoch Proctor 12
Joseph Proctor 8
Mary Ann Proctor 16
Sarah Proctor 43
William Proctor 44
William Proctor 18

* freebmd shows birth of Jemima and Joseph on the same page.


Gwyn

What years were those marriages?
Did William SIGN as a witness?

A potter would be a skilled man, one would think, - natural talent playing a part...
I'm wondering how soon after the marriages we might look for them in a census.


Oh...just seen marriage dates !
Gwyn

There is 3yrs between the two marriages 1841 and 1844

When the eldest son married it say Blacksmith (my direct line) when the second son married it say watchman!!! so he did do other jobs.

When your direct ancestor married, what is shown as their father William's occupation...potter or blacksmith?

Gwyn

I can't find any other William & Ann Proctor on the census in the area,

I have Ann Alcock born Longton,Christened 12 Jan 1800 parents Samual and Rachael(IGI)
The last child I have born to William & Ann isFrancis born 1833 Longton S-O-T.
Gill

Which Ann is your ancestor?

Have you a birth cert.after 1837 for a known sibling of your ancestor, ..child of William?

Have you looked for baptism records of the 2 Anns to identify a place of birth,...then follow them both in census.

Gwyn

Yes William is my 4x grt grandad (I think)lol
I have 1841 and 1851 and the rest of the family through to 1901. Also his chistening in Audley 1801.B M D for his descendants
Gill