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i don't know if anyone has said this but do you think the train company paid for the burial carolina xx

Possibly Williams father. Will send to Paul for inclusion on website if connection can be confirmed.

Description
Medal card of Armstrong, Rendel
Corps Regiment No Rank
Rifle Brigade 202126 Private
Northumberland Fusiliers 3132 Private
Royal Garrison Artillery 319396 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/1links to the Catalogue
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Piece A'Alezu - Barnes C E
Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection

Possible marriage of Henriettas' father:

Name: James Anthony Wilson
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 159 (click to see others on page)

Hi Maggie, I spoke to Rachel yesturday about the posibility that James Anthony married Theresa Silmom, as Theresa is a well known Catholic name. I found Theresa with her parents and Siblings on the 1901 and 1891 census. William or Mohammed W Silmon was born in the North Africa's. One of the members worked in the Grand Hotel here in Tynemouth. On Freebmd, I see a Births for James Anthony Wilson in 1867, one in 1885, then there is the marriage in Newcastle, then a Birth in South Shields in 1908. I just cannot make up my mind about them. What do you think? Jenny.

Hi Just been on the web page with the updates. I have not personaly seen a death cert for a child and was wondering why her father was only named and not both parents ie. daughter of william and Hen. I was just wondering What if her parents where not together at that time. But would still have thought they would be both named. Sorry i may be well of course on that one. Kate

Jenny
I've ordered Henriettas' birth certificate and typically day off today and the postman still hasn't been! I will post details as soon as it arrives unless someone can get details quicker?
I've seen all the same details as you and can't make my mind up, personally I'd go with the 1885 birth. I know that means he would have married at 19 but that wasn't uncommon.
Got to go out now but will be back !! I'm hooked, Paul you have a lot to answer for ;-) lol

just a nudge

BREAKING NEWS! This afternoon at about 4.30pm on BBC Radio Wales Win Evans will be giving an interview with regard to this Sad Little Tale. You can listen through the internet from the BBC Radio Wales website. Mumsy. If you missed it you can get it on Listen Again for the next 7 days it was about 4.45pm. M.

Another nudge.................

It's arrived, here are the details of Henriettas' birth certificate:

Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
1908
Sub district: Elswick
County of Newcastle upon Tyne
No. 24
When & Where born: 2 April 1908, 79 Matilda St
Name: Henrietta Maud
Sex: Girl
Name and Surname of Father: James Anthony Wilson
Name, surname & maiden name of mother: Theresa Amina Wilson formerly Silmon
Occupation of father: Mariner
Signature, description and residence of informant: Theresa Wilson, mother, 79 Matilda Street, Newcastle
When registered: 11 May 1908
Signature of registrar: Jas H Rodgers (?)

This also confirms the marriage of James and Theresa 1904 (see earlier message)

Theresa birth record

Name: Theresa Amina Silmon
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 44 (click to see others on page)

and 1891 census

Name: Theresa Silmon
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Mohammed W
Mother's Name: Sarah S
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne

Civil Parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles A Silmon 15
Frank Silmon 7
Frederick Silmon 4
George Silmon 2
Josephine Silmon 11
Mohammed W Silmon 38
Sarah S Silmon 33
Theresa Silmon 8
William Silmon 10

or birth:

Name: Theresa Amilia Wild-Silmon
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 44 (click to see others on page)

Think this is most likely as on the marriage entry she is Theresa A W Silmon.

Now I'm confused!

1901 census

Name: Tereasa Silmon
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William W
Mother's Name: Sara J
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle

Civil Parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 232
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert Bonalls 18
Frank Monaghan 39
Lenora Pirola 24
Ferdinand Silmon 2
Frank Silmon 16
Frederick Silmon 13
George Silmon 12
Gertridge Silmon 4
Mary Silmon 8
Sara J Silmon 43
Tereasa Silmon 18
William Silmon 20
William W Silmon 49

How many times can one guy change his name, every thing else fits.

1881 census

Name: Mahomet De W. Silmon
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sara J. De W.
Gender: Male
Where born: Africa

Civil Parish: Tynemouth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: 43 Edith St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Waiter Hotel (Serv)

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Carlo A. Silmon 5
Josephine R. Silmon 1
Leonora M. Silmon 4
Mahomet De W. Silmon 27
Sara J. De W. Silmon 25
William O. Silmon

So my 'hunch' yesturday was correct. See my post yesturday. I am waiting for a reply from a GR member who I PM'd yesturday. He has a Frank Silmon, in his tree. He has no year or place of Birth though. Just thought it was worth a try. Jenny.

Great thread, you can listen to that radio program on BBC radio player station: Radio Wales program: Good Evening Wales Thursday, 42 minutes into the program keep up the good work

On the Armstrong side, William might be tricky to locate, but the father's name Peter is more unusual. On the list of members' interests there are two members researching Peter Armstrong born in Yetholm, Roxburgh (see Janice's posting, page 17, 19.17 pm). A subsequent posting suggested that the Roxburgh birth is a little more likely of the two possibles. Both members give the date of birth for the Peter Armstrong as 1827/8, which may be too early, but the members could probably offer some advice on individuals with that surname around that date in that town. Has anyone already tried contacting these members (David and Susan)?

I'm back ............................. what wonderful progress has been made !! Will be following this with interest; unfortunately I dont think there is any further useful contribution I can make. Christine

Hello all, Win Evans and I have just trawled through all the parish documents in Radyr parish we could find for that time period. No burial records held after 1926 when it ceased to be the church’s responsibility. But on the trail of the subsequent records anyway. PCC minutes: no mention of paying for the funeral or the grave. Parish accounts: likewise. Record of services conducted: nothing. It occurred to us that the funeral service may not have been at St John’s after all but at Bethel, which was at the time, the church for Morganstown, although Patricia is buried in St John’s. If/when we get sight of the other records, I’ll report again. Keep up the good work everyone and thanks from Win for all that you’re doing. Didn’t he do well on the radio this afternoon! Mumsy.

Hi Lynne, no your not way off, Randell did marry Isabella Fisher. I found Randell with his parents Peter and Mary. See my previous posts. I have just had another major breakthrough, re Theresa and William Silmon. Will post in a few minutes. Jenny.