Genealogy Chat

For those of you following this puzzle, Sioux has offered to put a scan of the certificate on her website, so that you can all play detective. I've just sent it to her, so let's hope she can get to this over the weekend? Have a good one! Hilary

Hi Diedre - see you couldn't resist this either!! I have seen this Scagiola Maker on a couple of sites, but the GL (if it is GL) are definately next to each other. Hubby may think linoleum, but there's no way it is! Maz. XX

http://www(.)genealogyinc(.)com(/)descriptions(/)job(-)S(.)htm here's another excellent site for job name descriptions. Well done Deirdre! Sioux

SCAGIOLA MAKER = a maker of imitation marble. SCULLION = a male servant (menial tasks) www.genocities(.)com/Heartland/Valley/9267/occs.html Dierdre X

There was a WHITTLEBURY STREET in St. Pancras around that time. From GENDOCS Victorian London Street Index: Whittlebury Street, St. James, Hampstead Road, St. Pancras Whittlebury Street, St. Mary the Virgin, St. Pancras www.gendocs.demon(.)co(.)uk Dierdre X

WHOOPS! Before someone picks me up for not doing the obvious thing.....I've just typed WITTLEBURY STREET into Google and found a reference to someone else who gave that address at the time of their marriage in 1862.

As linoleum wasn't invented until 1863 I think that one can be eliminated! Dierdre X

Well you do all like a puzzle don't you! I have found a word SCAGLION in Italian, so come on you linguists.... My dictionary has SCAGLIONARE as 'space out' and with a different word ending it can be 'in groups'. Does that trigger any thoughts? As for their address of WITTLEBURY STREET, I have an idea that this didn't exist. I cannot find it in the Lost London Streets etc and I have wondered whether to believe that both bride and groom lived at the same place. Hence the Census trail is always cold. Cheers, Hilary

How about: NAGELSCHMIED MASTER - master nailsmith? Well some letters fit. Gary

It really doesn't look like an A at the beginning! My mum thinks it is SEMOLINA!! But definitely not! Can't read the street name very easily, looks like Wittlebury Street, St Pancras??? Can't find Patrick Lynch on the 1851 as yet.... Have now taken to carrying it with me and asking everyone! Maz. XX

Only me again!! Could it possibly say Accordion Maker? I know this doesn't fit in with the letters deciphered so far, but it might make a degree of sense as the piano and accordian both have keys, if you see what I mean!!?? Bye! Eleanorxx

Based on Maz's findings(!) I tried a search and came up with (and I quote!!!) Gymnocalycium Saglionis which of course we all know is the Giant Chin Cactus!!!! I doubt he was a maker or master of Cacti so I guess that counts this one out! I reckon tis a case of serious spelling or comprehension difficulty or perhaps he had a really boring job, so made a word up to make himself feel important! Or maybe the census taker had had enough of writing normal things down, butcher, baker, candlestick maker and had just lost the plot abit! Or maybe the chap wasn't home on the day the census was taken so they started making it up as they went along and just picked letters of the alphabet in no particular order and wrote them down!!!??? I've lost it now! Bye love Eleanorxxxxx

Hilary, I asked the name to see if I could find him on the census. I think you should post a lookup for them living together in the 1841 census. You could also look in the 1851 and 1861. Crista

I've had a look at a copy of the certificate, and wonder whether the second word is Marker rather than Maker, but can't be sure even of that. By comparing the writing across the certificate, the first letter is either L or S. I'm pretty certain that the next three are EAG, and the next one looks like L, so that gives us either LEAGL.... or SEAGL...., but the last few letters are completely indecipherable. I think in fact that the end of the word has been cut off in the copying, and I've suggested to Hilary that she ought to contact the office who supplied the copy and ask them for help on this point. Just been to see my friend Google and asked him about SEAGLASS - he suggested Seaglass Jewellery, and Seaglass Cloth. Don't know if either of those could be a possibility. Jan.

Hi Hilary again!!! Even got MY hubby to look at it - he reckons it says LINOLEUM!!!!! AAAAAAARRGGGGGHHH ....... Just as I was wondering whether maybe it DID say SAXOPHONE after all !!!! Oh dear .... will keep you posted, maybe it will come to me in a dream ....

This one has finally got my family interested. They think Sealion Master is the best suggestion but maybe they're just being mischievous?

I think they are thinking about the census where it will also state his profession the 1851 should be the same. Bob

Yes I do have a scanner and a magnifying glass! Neither helped much.... Someone asked earlier what the father's name was - PATRICK LYNCH, although I don't see where they are coming from on that? Anyway, I've just had another request for a scanned copy to be e-mailed, so send that later. I'm glad to see so many helpful and cheerful responses. I like the humour!

Just a thought Have you got a scanner to to scan the image. that way you can zoom in on the writing to see if you can make it out that way. regards, Siobhan

Hi, Could it be Symphonion Maker? This was a type of early music box. Dave