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Thank you for offering more help Mike. Infomation is rather sketchy, I'm afraid. Ernest John LISTER married Harriet LAW in 1903 and they had 2 known sons, Ernest and Lawrence Cecil (b.Dec. 1907) Lawrence, known as Cis married Elsie DUVAL 1930

Hellow again Beverley. Yes you're right with the info about Joseph. I have been able to trace the two brothers Joseph and William Heawood, not exactly why and when they moved from Oldbury to Leicester or who they stayed with (they were the youngest of the orphaned bunch at 11 and 9). Joe stayed in Leicester and William moved back to Smethwick (Nr. Oldbury)later, both married Leicester lasses. It is just the three sisters who seemed to disappear, and as Mike so cruelly pointed out, they change their names when marrying, hence the big gap for Mary, Hannah and Catherine. At least you both keep coming up with possible leads. Thanks a bunch it stops me from getting too disheartened. Thanks again Margaret Margaret

An Apple ? ' That will do nicely '.....

Can i go to top of the class lol Bev

10 OUT OF 10........ Beverley......lol :0)

Hi Margaret I dont know if this is Joseph On 1901 Census 105 Guthlaxton Street Leicester I dont know whether ive spelled it right Joseph Heawood head 32 Birth Oldbury bricklayers labourer Annie E Wife 31 Trent Nottinghamshire Beatrice M daughter 10 months Leicestershire Edith A daughter 5 trent nottinghamshire sydney E 3 trent Nottinghamshire Beverly

Hi Beverley Thanks for the details of marriage Mary Haywood and Henry Moore in 1882. Looks interesting. I would so like to fill the hole that the part of the family disappeared into after they lost their parents. Thanks so much Margaret

Greeting's Again Gwyneth..... ' Your very Welcome...' Do you have anything on the other names.... Lister - Neat ? MIKE.

Mike What can I say?... Thank you so very much!!! My sister in law will be so thrilled with this information. She has always been interested in my family history research but the tree for her was seriously overloaded on one side, while her branches were somewhat bare....... Not any more! I am so very grateful for your help.

Greeting’s Again Gwyneth……PART THREE. 1901. Scanned Census Images. RG 13. ./ 2989./ Folder. 8. / Page. 8. Leicester. Belgrave. St. Michael & All Angels. 97. Coral Street. Fred Duval. Head. Mar. 21.Boot Heel attaching machinist. B. Leicester. Ada. Wife. 21. Frederick W. Son. 2.Months Old. b. Leicester. © Crown Copyright National Archives. 1891. Census. RG 12./ 2538./ Folder. 16. / Page. 25. Leicester. St. Andrew’s Parish. No. 66. Outram Street. (Which is now under De-Montfort Univ.) Eliza Hubbard. Head. Widow. 49. b. Leicester. Elizabeth. Dau. 19. Hosiery Hand. B. Nottingham. Isaac. Son. 16. Shoe Hand. B. Leicester. Thomas Duval. Boarder. 47. Shoe Hand b. Leicester. John Duval. Son. 27. Shoe Hand b. Leicester. Thomas. Duval. Son. 13.. Shoe Hand b. Leicester. FRED DUVAL. Son. 11. Scholar b. Leicester. Adelaide. Dau. 8. Scholar b. Leicester. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. 1881. Census. RG 11. / 3164./ Folder. 23./ Page.8. Leicester. St. Margaret’s Parish. Curzon Street. No 6. Garibaldi Court. Thomas. Duval. Head. Mar. 37. Shoe Riveter b. Leicester. Jane. Wife.28. Charwoman b. Castle Donington. Thomas. W. Son. 3. b. Castle Donington. FRED. Son. 1. b. Castle Donington. Parker Hill. Step Son. 12. Scholar b. Scalford Leicestershire. Lydia A. Hill. Step Dau.7. b Melton Mowbray. Leicestershire. I think the enumerator went mad with the Castle Donington's ? ... © Crown Copyright National Archives. 1871. Census. RG 10./ 3277./ Folder. 38./ Page. 31. Leicester. St. Matthew’s Parish. No. 270. Birstall Street. Thomas Duval. Head. Mar.26. Shoe Riveter b. Leicester. Fanny. Wife. 25. Shoe Riveter b. Asley. Frances Thomas. Dau. 2. b Asley. John. Thomas. Son. 3. Months Old. b. Leicester. © Crown Copyright National Archives. 1861. Census. Thomas Duval. 18. Servant Groom b. St. Margaret’s Parish Leicester. Servant to “ The Revd. Benjamin Snow ' Vicar of Burton Pedwardine. Lincolnshire. © Crown Copyright National Archives. 1851. Scanned Census Transcriptions. 2090 / 196. / 23./ 97. = Sarah Street Leicester. WILLIAM DUVAL HEAD M 38 M WOOL COMBER LEI LEICESTER ELIZABETH DUVAL WIFE M 41 F LEI BOWDEN EMILY DUVAL DAU 15 F BOX MAKER LEI LEICESTER EMMA DUVAL DAU 12 F BOX MAKER LEI LEICESTER THOMAS DUVAL SON 8 M SCHOLAR LEI LEICESTER WILLIAM DUVAL SON 5 M SCHOLAR LEI LEICESTER EZRA DUVAL SON 3 M SCHOLAR LEI LEICESTER © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001. I’ll leave it there for now….Time to blow out the Candle < 3 …. MIKE.

*** F.A.O. GWYNETH *** John Chamberlain....... PART TWO...... EYES DOWN...... 1881. Scanned Census Images. RG 11. / 3167. / Folder. 51./ Page. 6. Leicester. St.Margaret's Parish. No. 55, Gresham Street. John Chamberlain. Head. Mar. 24. Shoe Riveter. b Leicester. Elizabeth. Wife. 22. Hosiery Hand. b. Leicester. Ada. Dau. 1. b. Leicester. © Crown Copyright National Archives. 1871. Scanned Census Images. RG 10. / 3271./ Folder. 13. / Pages 19. ~ 20. Leicester. St. Margaret's Parish. No. 15. Upper Charles Street. James Tomkins. Head. Mar. 37. Shoe Nailer. B. Leicester. Louisa. Wife. 42. Shoe Nailer's Wife. b. Maidstone Kent. Page 20. = 15. Upper Charles Street. Continued. Joseph Tomkins. Son. 10. Scholar. b. Leicester. Thomas Tomkins. Son. 7. Scholar. b. Leicester. Henry Franks. Son -in -Law. 24. Umar. Elastic Braid Hawker. b. Maidstone Kent. William Chamberlain. Son -in-Law. 18. Shoe Finisher. b. Leicester. JOHN CHAMBERLAIN. Son-in-Law. 14. Shoe Nailer. b. Leicester. Frank Tomkins Lodger. 14. Shoe Finisher. b. Oakham Rutland. © Crown Copyright National Archives. 1861. Scanned Census Images. RG 9. / 2284. / Folder.36. / Page. 44. Leicester. St. Margaret's Civil Parish. St. John's. Sub Parish. No. 1. Callis Hill. Louisa Chamberlain. Head. Widow. 38. Shoe Builder. b. Maidstone Kent. Henry. Son. 14. Occupation ?? Silk Maker. b. Maidstone. Kent. William Son. 10. Scholar. b. Leicester. JOHN Son. 4. Scholar. b. Leicester. Joseph. Son. 6. Months Old. b. Leicester. (Father James Tomkins ?..Ummm ) James Tomkins Lodger. 32. Cordwainer. b Leicester. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004. I'm sorry that's where the trail ends as for Leicester. no hits found in Leicester 1851...... Assume they are in Maidstone Kent in 1851. ? Although there is a Marshall Franks (27) Ladies Boot Maker. b. Maidstne. Kent. Elizabeth (27) b. Kirby Leicesteshire. William (2) Samuel (3 Mths Old) Living in a Yard off Colton Street Leicester. MIKE.

Thank you Mike. That is great! I only know Elizabeth NEAT married John CHAMBERLAIN as seen in 1891 census. I'll try asking Ann, my s-in-l if she remembers any more names. Thomas William DUVAL b,abt 1844 Leics married Jane ? possibly c. 1876

Greeting's & Welcome Gwyneth..... Here's your starter for 10.....lol :0) 1891. Scanned Census Image :- RG 12 / 2533 / Folder. 24. / Page. 4. St. Margaret's Parish. No. 18. Argyle Street. John Chamberlain. Head. Mar. 34. Shoe Riveter. b. Leicester. Elizabeth. Wife. 32. Louisa. Elizabeth. Dau. 7. Scholar. William. Son. 4. Ellen. Dau. 2. Florrie. Dau. 3 Months Old. All Born within City of Leicester. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. I'll have a look at the Family Neat On my return latter tonight. Have you any christian Names for Neat ? I've got Neat Head of household's on 1891. Census :- George x 2. John x 1. MIKE.

Hi Margaret You might want to check this out there's a Mary Haywood marriage Leicester September 1882 Vol 7a page 367 and a Henry Moore marriage Leicester Sept 1882 Vol 7a page 3[68]7 that means it could be 8 or 7 and on the 1891 Census theres a Henry Moore with wife Mary birth 1859 Leicestershire Beverly

For my sister-in-law's tree DUVAL, CHAMBERLAIN, NEAT and LISTER

Greeting's Again Jo..... YES... The addition of the time on English Birth Certificates usually indicates TWINS.. This is just in case in latter years a dispute arises on Inheritage claims on the estate of the deceased Parents.... Re checked the Burial records for Welford Road Cemetery again Looking at the entries above both records it states 2 Weeks for that entry too...So can only assume the translator got carried away..... Plus there may have been a coroner's Inquest but can't think it would have taken 3 months ? Or The other Thomas buried in the same grave in 1863 states 5 Months Old. Again wonder if a mistake as happened again ? It might be resolved by the ordering of Burial certificates ? ..... MIKE.

Mike, re twins Henry and Thomas Goss. Received the birth cert today and it is one of the sets of twins I am looking for. They were born on the 23/24 May 1864 birth cert even has the time, Is this normal in twins? The only problem is that on the burial it states died age 2 weeks, would their burial have been held up or are the burial records sometimes wrong. Thanks for all your help. Jo

Hi Mike Thank god Edward died in 1877 at least I'm not descended from a lunatic - no comment please. The Catherine in Liverpool does seem worth keeping a note of. Often the most unlikely information becomes true later in the research. Thanks again I will try to leave you in peace for a while.

Knock...Knock...Is there anyone there ...... On the 1881 Census I've got a Mary Haywood. Aged 23. Umar. Born Leicester. Servant Cook to James & Betsy Stains of Granby Ave Off London Road Leicester. Also on the same Census Ive got a Catherine (No surname or place of birth given) Aged 20. Servant in a Public House in Liverpool. And wait for it........ In the same Public House we have an Edward Haywood stating he's 36 with a wife Martha aged 26. with two small children 4 & 8 Months old all with no place of birth given..... There is also a Thomas Haywood aged 30. Brother. In the public house again with no place of birth given... I've got a Edward Haywood aged 54. on the 1891. census patient in Leavesham Asylum (Watford) no place of birth given again.... Slutching at straws over the last two hits ? but worthy of note. I doubt if we'll bottom this because as the census come up to the persent years The Females are more likely to marry and so we'll not know the married names...... MIKE.

Hi Mike Its that Heawood family again. I know I can't yet locate Hannah, but, she had two sisters Mary about 1858 and Catherine about 1862. After the family were orphaned I am still trying to see if they all returned to Leicester to the rest of the family. I have recently found out there was probably a family rift which is why Edward tootled off to Oldbury from Braunstone. The plot thickens. As always I wait with fingers crossed for the maestro to speak. Margaret