Genealogy Chat

Hi all. here it is - My wifes g/g/grandfather THOMAS LEE was a real wanderer in his life. born 1848 Manchester, by 1861 moved to YORKSHIRE, BIRSTALL, by 1871 had moved to LONDON where he got married, them moved to DUNDEE, SCOTLAND, had a couple of sons there, then moved back MANCHESTER, then he came to LPOOL for a year, then moved to SALFORD, then back to MANCHESTER finally to LPOOL, where he had 4 more children. But by 1891 census he had disappeared with 3 of his children, leaving his wife with the rest of the family in LPOOL. Ive searched the 1891 census fully, at least I THINK SO, dont know whether the SCOTTISH, WELCH and IRISH are all included in the one census. He was missing till 1986 when he turned up again in LPOOL when in died of a stroke and TB in the ROYAL INFIRMARY in 1899 October. But where could he have gone with his 3 children during the time he went missing off the 1891 census? Are there seperate indexes for those countries? Any suggestions as to where he could have gone? TED.

Ted i have a few Thomas Lees on my name index website do you know the names/sex/age of the kids? and i'll have another look MOE!

Hello Ted Yes, the Scotttish census is separate from the England and Wales one. There are 5 Thomas Lee's aged between 35 and 45 on the Scotlandspeople site for 1891 census. Can you give me any further details; like a middle initial, family members likely to be with him or where in Scotland he lived before. Regards. Suzy

Hi Ted, England and Wales are of one census,,but Scotland has it's own,,and has never been associated with us,,as it has always had it's own Parliment,, It was included in the 1881 census as that was done by the L>D>S.and they got access to the records,, You could try 'ScotlandsPeople 'site it is pay per view'

kay - are you sure that the LDS includes scotland?

if someone is in wales and you're searching the 'England' they wont show,Need to search England and wales individually. jess

1891n England criteria Thomas lee 1848 /- 2 years birthplace manchester = Lee, Thomas abt 1848 Manchester, Lancashire Cousin Worsley Lancashire Lee, Thomas G abt 1849 Manchester, Lancashire Head Pendlebury Lancashire ....................................... same criteria but searching Wales= Lee, Thomas abt 1849 Manchester, Lancashire Lodger Aberystruth Monmouthshire

Suzy, hiya. THOMAS LEE age 42 born MANCHESTER, occ AUCTIONEER. should be with some of his children, ALBERT 14, HENRY 9 WINIFRED MAUD 8 JAMES 7 AND ELIZ 5. Last trime he was in SCOTLAND he lived in DUNDEE. TED.

Jess, yeas thanaks I know about them, but where were his children 5 of em. he wouldnt have wandered off and left them would he? seeing as he left the others at home with his wife in LPOOL.TED

Thomas Lee 43 Toxteth Park piece 2931 Folio 130b Christina Lee 40 ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Thomas Lee 43 Ormskirk North Meols Piece 3038 Folio 90b Amelia 39 Thomas E 7 Dorothy M 2 Thomas Lee 43 Barton upon Irwell Worsley Piece 3148 Folio 20b give me more info and i will have another look MOE!

Moe, 3 boys and 2 girls ALBERT 14, HENRY 9 WINIFRED MAUD 8 JAMES 7 AND ELIZ 5. He would have been 42 yrs old and an AUCTIONEER by professsion. TED.

moe, gosh your a trier, but thats not him or the family. His wife is ELIZABETH FANNY LEE, age 33 they are not her children. TED. Got a feeling that he might have gone to SCOTLAND or even IRELAND as he died of TB in 1899. Probably lfor his health.

Ted, I think you'r right .i can't find any of those names together as a family on the Lancashire names index. so they must of moved out of the area all together,could they have gone into a workhouse? i know liverpool had a big one on the sight of the now r/c cathedral it was like a small city. or maybe a TB hospital? i'm quite sure there was a big one in Fazakerly or nearby maybe aintree keep posting the names on to this thread who knows someone will find them Good Luck MOE!-

This won't really help you, Ted, but in answer to Louise's question about the LDS version of the 1881 census, if you look on the CD-ROMs it will include Scotland but if you look on the website it won't. Kate.

sincere thanks to you all for helping me. I knew it would be an impossible task. They, that is he and the rest of his family seems to have disappeared from the 1891 census. Maybe with him having TB he could have gone abroard somewhere for his health. Its a mystery which will resolve itself one day. Thanks again all of you. TED.

If this is your family,he was well enough to father a child in 1899. I am guessing all children should be with their mother in 1891 but left off transcription. 1901 census Albert Lee abt 1877 Dundee, Scotland Son West Derby Lancashire Charles Lee abt 1875 Dundee, Scotland Son West Derby Lancashire Dorothy Lee abt 1899 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire Elizabeth Lee abt 1858 London, England Head West Derby Lancashire Elizabeth Lee abt 1886 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire Henry Lee abt 1882 Manchester Son West Derby Lancashire James Lee abt 1884 Manchester Son West Derby Lancashire Thomas Lee abt 1878 Dundee, Scotland Son West Derby Lancashire Winifred M Lee abt 1883 Manchester Daughter West Derby Lancashire

Hi Ted Have messaged you direct, but if your Thomas is from my Lee family, I doubt if he was in the workhouse. They all seemed to do moderately well for themselves, and to have kept up family contacts. Tina