Genealogy Chat

Kim... have sent several e-mails with info... but also have a site here for the WHITES DIRECTORY...Sheffield, 1901 (it's a trade directory online, fully searchable). http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/c.asp?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=Test+Web+Site&Index=Historical%20Directories&UseQField=County&QField=County^Yorkshire&Query=&File=E%3A%5CZYIMAGE%5CDATA%5CHISTDIR%5CTXT%5C00000000%5C0000CNHG.txt&User=anonymous&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=f%3Ah&MaximumDocuments=10&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r80g5/r80g5/x150y150g5/i500&Display=hpfr&DefSeekPage=f&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPages=1&ZyEntry=1&SeekPage=f&id=0000CNHG.txt and if that didn't turn out... go to historicaldirectories.org and search for directories by place - Yorkshire. Think its the last directory listed on page.

Don't know if this is of any help... but thought the name truelove was so sweet, had to do a search offline: Sheffield, 1893... Truelove, Arthr. brass & german silver founder. 111 carver st. TrueloveDavid. corkscrew manufr. Eye Witness works. Milton st. Truelove, Elijah. Corkscrew manufacturer. 24 Lambert st. The other (few) Truelove's are a school mistress and a school master (listed seperately), an upholsterer, and a stationer. If you'd like details on these, just ask :)

I'm glad you found something useful in the list Kim :) Cutlers had a hard time really - premature deaths could be caused by the dust of the metal (and bone/horn of handles) getting into the lungs. Many of these workers didn't cover their mouths sufficiently to stop the dust getting into their lungs - but it caused damage to the eyes too - and the nasal passages. Men would come home coughing up blackened mucus, and tears and sweat would be tinged with the metallic dust... in some industries even today this happens. There have been some research into the diseases connected to cutlers... I was quite surprised at how dangerous it could be.

Missed that H.A. Dont watch telly much these days!! (Am always on here!!) Really interesting stuff, I thought.And so sad. See you later!!! xx Thanks Jackie! Perhaps these Sheffield Cutlery Folk werent as boring as I first thought!! LOL!! x

Tina me ole mucker!! Thanks for that - oooooooh Im so glad I started this thread!! Am going to have many happy hours of Sheffield History! (I Love It) Am off out tonight (In real life!) Limo trip for friends birthday. But will meet up with you later I hope!!! (2 more of our Threads have gone walk about again) See you somewhere anyway!!! xxxxx Have got most of the families in 1841-1901 census, (Couple missing but think thats pretty normal, makes it too easy to find them in every one!!!)

'Not Really Here!' Hi - Just had a look at couple of your websites, and came accross some really interesting info about the 'Sheffield Flood' which Ive never heard of before, The Dale Dyke Dam burst and about 280 people were drowned, in 1864! So if anyone finds relys in 1841-61 census, then thay disappear - they could have died in this terrible disaster!! There is a list of all the names and ages of the deceased.

Hi Kim, my little drinking buddy. What have you found so far about your friend's family? Have you got any of them on the censuses (try saying that when you're drunk). Walker and Hall were a very famous and upmarket firm of Sheffield cutlers and silversmiths (now part of Mappin & Webb). Wonder if she is part of that family? Found a brief mention of the firm, copied below: Apparently Walker and Hall were 'extremely prolific manufacturers.' And, 'the workshop of Walker and Hall was founded in 1845 by George Walker ('..a mediocre knife maker.'), who had started in the trade age 7 to help his family. In 1890 Walker & Hall employed 700 people, with a production that ranges from silver plated to high quality silverware. In 1971 Walker and Hall was absorbed by Mappin & Webb.' Shame it does not say how old George Walker was when he started the firm. Hallam and Ecclesall both now quite posh areas, for the most part, so it sounds as if the family were moderately well off. In the 1800s the Sheffield cutlers were for the most part small firms in tiny premises employing just a few men and women. As time went by, some of the firms grew, but many small business continued right through the first part of the 20th century. They were know as the 'Little Mesters' (little masters, for those of you who don't speak Yorkshire!). Some of the trades were highly skilled and very dangerous - the knife grinders generally did not make it to a ripe old age. I will try to hunt down some books and pictures over the weekend. Tina

Sheffield cutlers: http://www.littlemesters(.)com/sheffield_history.htm http://www.channel4(.)com/history/timeteam/2004_sheff_steel.html http://www.eskimo(.)com/~verne/knife.htm http://freepages.history.rootsweb(.)com/~exy1/fh_material/cutlery_and_cutlers.html http://www.localhistories(.)org/sheffield.html remove all () also found this at 'shefftek': 'in the 1380's Chaucer wrote about a Sheffield knife in the Reeves Tale. Interestingly portraits have been painted of Chaucer wearing such a knife.'

I found this lovely site about ecclesall bierlow - but its all about the workhouse there. Theres a black-and-white map that may be nice to use as a background - just fade it out a bit and type over it :) users.ox.ac(.)uk/~peter/ workhouse/EcclesallBierlow/ remove ()

Thanks for your help everyone who posted! Names of my friends family are Glaves, Booker, Truelove, Walker, Hall. Areas of Sheffield they lived: Nether Hallam, Ecclesall Bierlow, Brightside Bierlow.

A search at the Library regarding the old newspapers may spice it up a bit too. For Instance I too have ancestors who were law abiding , however came across a clipping of a story that had the name of the my ancestors street they were living at - they almost must have seen the event occur : Merlin. 6th June, 1851 Taken In and Done For A Welsh tailor, from North Wales, last Saturday morning walked up into commercial Street from Friar's Fields stripped of all his clothes, and talking as stupidly and strangely, as if he had been drugged. He said he had 'been taken in and done for' at some house in Friar's Fields, but his head was too bewildered apparently, to lead the police officer to the particular den, and so his plunderers escaped detection.

There were some very specialised jobs - one of my ancestors dealt exclusively with making handles for dinner forks ! Some very dirty jobs too, particularly for the women. I think that bits of scrap metal collected from the area when it was redeveloped were used to construct a sculpture that stands in the Meadowhall Shopping Centre. I reckon you could write a book - but someone has probably already done that !

Jim, Debby, Helen and me ole mate Tina!! Thanks so much!! Will ressurrect this thread again tommorrow, with more details!!!

Hi Kim Hubby and I both grew up in Sheffield - he has lots of books about the history. I will root through and see if I can find some interesting tit-bits and send them through to you. How long have I got - not very good at doing anything fast these days! Tina

Got any of the Sheffield street names and the dates they lived there? I can try and let you know if the Street still exists and if it may have any of the original buildings. Maybe get some photo's to you? Helen in Sheffield

Kim Were any of them involved in any of the wars? Debby

Hmmmmmm - gossip about neighbours eh? Sounds good to me!! Her family were whiter than white by the looks of it!!! No children born out of wedlock or anything naughty like that! Unless they covered their tracks well!!!

Kim, Another thought .... howabout looking at their neighbours? A bit of local gossip maybe?? J

You could try seeing if any of her ancestors homes/streets are still around and get photos of them - they may even be on the net or local archives.

You could add some pictures of the churches that her ancestors married in. Plus pictures of the area they lived in. Irene