Genealogy Chat

I have possibly found a connection on this site to my family tree! The only problem is we dont know whether the person in connection is the right person as we havent got a birth certificate, as we are so excited - we were wondering if anyone can find out the parents names of an Lillian Emily Devins, born 1902 Southwark - otherwise I shall just have to wait until the birth cert arrives. If anyone can help - it would be great!!!! fingers crossed for a match!

In 1901 this couple are living in Southwark, so they COULD be the parents: Alice Devins abt 1881 Hempstead, London, England Wife Southwark St George the Martyr London David Devins abt 1882 Battersea, London, England Head Southwark St George the Martyr London but Southwark reg districts does cover a wider area than the parish itself. Forinstance, it covers Newington, but there are no devins there, unless they are mistranscribed!! There's always the possibility someone moved house between the census and the birth too!! Good Luck Sarah

Or that mum went home to her mum for her first confinement?

There are other candidates. Devins, David 1901 March Marriages St Saviour Southwark London Surrey Devins, Peter 1901 December Marriages Southwark Greater London London Devins, Thomas 1894 September Marriages St Saviour Southwark London Surrey

And a marriage? Devins, David 1901 March Marriages St Saviour Southwark London Surrey HARDING, Alice Amelia 1901 March Marriages St Saviour Southwark London Surrey And Davids family? 1891 Devin, David abt 1882 Lambeth, London, England Son St Mary London Devin, Jessie abt 1880 Lambeth, London, England Daughter St Mary London Devin, Mary J abt 1858 Martham, Wales Head St Mary London Devin, Peter abt 1878 Martham, Wales Son St Mary London Devin, Thomas abt 1876 Martham, Wales Son St Mary London

I'm hoping she is the daughter of Thomas & Louisa Devins, 1894 Southwark - that would be the definate link. oh but now you put alice/david devins in the southwark area, it could be them aswell! suppose i will have to wait for a birth cert then. thanks all for your help so far

The children from Thomas & Louisa (Elborne) Devins 1901 census are Thomas, William, Louisa ....... then next would possible be Lillian Emily 1902 - but I need the 1911 then!!!

Here is Thomas and Louisa in 1901 (Thomas must be Davids bro) 1901 England Census records matching your search for All Records > Census > 1901 England Census Viewing 1-5 Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Louisa Devins abt 1876 Finsbury, London, England Wife St George the Martyr London Louisa C Devins abt 1901 Southwark Daughter St George the Martyr London Thomas Devins abt 1875 Ruthin Denb, Wales Head St George the Martyr London Thomas R Devins abt 1895 Bermondsey Son St George the Martyr London William D Devins abt 1897 Bermondsey Son St George the Martyr London

Heather, Yes thats as far as i got on the 1901 census! Why do you think David is Thomas' brother can I ask? The only other members of Thomas' family I found were on the 1881 census: Peter (Head), Bridget (wife), Elizabeth, Annie, Patrick, Kate.

Hi, because they are both on the 1891? Unless I have the wrong family? 1891 Devin, David abt 1882 Lambeth, London, England Son St Mary London Devin, Jessie abt 1880 Lambeth, London, England Daughter St Mary London Devin, Mary J abt 1858 Martham, Wales Head St Mary London Devin, Peter abt 1878 Martham, Wales Son St Mary London Devin, Thomas abt 1876 Martham, Wales Son St Mary London

I dont think its the same Thomas. my thomas was born Ruithin, Wales - I dont know where Marthom is? and the other children were Annie 1876, patrick 1878, kate 1880, this would clash with those dates above wouldnt it? Although you've got me thinking as to whether there is a connection?????

Well, just to confuse you more - here is the same family in 1881: mistranscribed as Devnis! Thomas shown as Williams And def born in Ruthin. William Chapman abt 1859 Kent, England Lodger 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Jessie Devnis abt 1880 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Peter Devnis abt 1850 Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland Lodger 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Peter Devnis abt 1878 Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales Son 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Mary Jane Williams abt 1858 Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales Lodger 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Thomas Williams abt 1876 Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales Son 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Amelia M. Wollard abt 1872 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Martha Wollard abt 1845 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Wife 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Thos. Wollard abt 1840 Walkern, Hertfordshire, England Head 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, England Thos. A. Wollard abt 1867 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son 24 Addington St, Lambeth, London, Looks like Mary Jane Williams ?? Did she marry Peter?

Sorry, I think may be this is the family you have for the 1881? But there is no sign of a Thomas born 1875 on there. The Thomas you have shown married in 1901 would have been on this census? Why do you think this is his family? If you have his birth cert with Brigit and Peter as his mum and dad, then surely the 1901 Thomas cant be the same one? 1881 Wales Census records matching your search for All Records > Census > 1881 Wales Census Viewing 1-6 Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image Annie Devin abt 1876 Holywell, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Mount Pleasant, Flint, Flintshire, Wales Bridgit Devin abt 1846 Ireland Wife Mount Pleasant, Flint, Flintshire, Wales Elizabeth Devin abt 1872 Holywell, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Mount Pleasant, Flint, Flintshire, Wales Kate Devin abt 1880 Holywell, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Mount Pleasant, Flint, Flintshire, Wales Patrick Devin abt 1878 Holywell, Flintshire, Wales Son Mount Pleasant, Flint, Flintshire, Wales Peter Devin abt 1846 Ireland Head Mount Pleasant, Flint, Flintshire, Wales Right, well Im getting totally confused now! SO I MUST GET ON WITH MY PAID WORK!! But you have a lot of food for thought there! Looks like possibly Thomas Devin started life as Thomas Williams???

Heather: On my dads birth cert, it says his dads name was Thomas Devin born Wales 1875. I then got Thomas' birth cert, it says parents are Bridget & Peter Devin. Thats why I traced that family on the 1881 census - but as you correctly say there is no trace of Thomas with that family on that census - so does this mean that he was living with another relative at the census time? or do you think i have got the wrong thomas birth cert born in wales and i should have the other one? and i have been going down the wrong line?

Help Help Help I'm so confused now! On the 1901 census, Thomas Devins was 26 a printers assistant, born wales ruthin. I then looked up Thomas Devin, born 1875 Holywell, got the cert and said Bridget & Peter Devin as parents. are you saying that its possibly this other Thomas Devin (part of Davids family) and I got the wrong certificate and may I should have the Thomas with the 1876 Martham Wales cert? But there is definately a Thomas born to a Bridget & Peter Devin. someone guide me please!

I dont really know, my brain is addled a bit at the mo, trying to get up to date with VAT. I would have thought that if Thomas was part of the Brigit/Peter family in Wales then he could possibly be elsewhere but then wouldnt he have been born in Flint like the rest of the kids? Sorry, dont know. If you have a birth cert for a Thomas born to Peter and Brigit - he must have been born, but did he die? Is Holywell under Ruthin Denbighshire or under Flintshire? Im sure it can be worked out but will take quite a bit of thinking through! The Thomas Williams is born in the right place, right time and is in the right area for his marriage. Is the father Peter same year of birth, I shall have a quick look but I am getting behind here! I shall check if Mary Williams is a widow or whether the enumerator has messed up the names. Will get back asap.

Well, in `1891 the Brigid/Peter family still in Flint, Wales and no sign of a Thomas: Daven, Bridget abt 1849 Ireland Wife Flint Flintshire Daven, Bridget abt 1882 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Flint Flintshire Daven, Katie abt 1880 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Flint Flintshire Daven, Mary abt 1887 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Flint Flintshire Daven, Patrick abt 1878 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Son Flint Flintshire Daven, Peter abt 1848 Ireland Head Flint Flintshire And still there in 1901: Bridget Devon abt 1853 Ireland Wife Flint Flintshire Bridget Devon abt 1883 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Flint Flintshire Mary Devon abt 1888 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Flint Flintshire Patrick Devon abt 1879 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Son Flint Flintshire Peter Devon abt 1851 Ireland Head Flint Flintshire Peter Devon abt 1890 Flint, Flintshire, Wales Son Flint Flintshire

Im afraid it does seem you have been following the wrong line. You could get some units on familyrelatives.org and see if you can find a death of the Thomas born to Brigit and Peter in Flintshire between 1875-1881. That would be conclusive. I dont know about Martham, Wales, (this could be a mistranscription or just the nearest big town he had been told as a child) but Thomas Williams is shown as the right place of birth for your Thomas Devins in the 1901. You should look for a Thomas Williams born right place, right date to Mary J. The Thomas that you have married in 1901 in Southwark seems most likely the son of Mary Jane Williams from Wales who then married Peter Devin from Scotland and took his name. ON THE OTHER hand, I could be completely mad and wrong but it is looking like Thomas from Flint may have died as a child. And it all started with such a simple question, eh??? Never mind, need to get to the truth of the matter. You could get an ancestry sub - it is essential for this stuff and be well worth it for you.

Had a quick look back It doesnt say Martham, it says something then Denbigh on the 1891. Actually Mary seems quite interesting, she is a theatre wardrobe mistress! On the 1891 Thomas shown as a carpenters apprentice. On the 1881 Peter the elder shown as a builders foreman. Now, it could be just the enumerator making a mistake or it could be right, but Peter the elder is shown unmarried. Mary Jane has the name Williams tagged on then Thomas is just dittod and the two other kids given the Devins (or Devnis !!) surname. It may be a transcription error on part of the enumerator. So it would be worth checking for a marriage between Peter and Mary Jane. GOOD LUCK! Do let me know how it pans out.

Heather - I'm so sorry for distracting you from your work- I wouldnt want anyone to get into trouble or anything. I can see where you have been coming from now......sorry i'm quite new to all this tracing as you can gather. yes, it would put him in the right area. On their marriage cert 1894 is says father is Peter Devins. theres obviously 2 Peter Devins with Thomas sons!!!! That would also explain why Thomas & Louisa also had a daughter called Mary J later on, maybe after his mother Mary J ? I will look down the other line now - thanks alot. I'm obviously a bit of a cluts when it comes to searching - some people seem to find things easily and quickly!!!!!! sorry.