Genealogy Chat

Sarah Thanks JA

I've copied JA's PM to me here: ''Hi Sarah, thanks for looking for me. My mother said when I spoke to her that Elzabeth was also in service in Eastbourne.Elizxabeth was born in 1893.Mother also said that he died 'very young'.'' Hmmm..... Well, the trouble is, wherever she was in service she might have gone somewhere else to have the child. And I wonder how young ''very young'' might be? Do we even know for certain that the baby ws called Stanley both by his mother and by his ''adoptive'' parents? Elizabeth might have had him registered as ''male'' or in another forename? Do we assume he definitely died with the name Kendrick? Mentioning names, you said in the last message: ''An intersting tip about just a forename on the certificate and no father or mother?. I have not heard of that before but am a novice, so nothing surprises me!'' Maybe I missed what you were responding to? but were you talking about a child's surname? When a child's birth is regisitered there is no column on the cert for the child's surname. But there is the mother's surname in the column for her name and also the father's surname too if he was named on the cert. Obviously if the parents are a married couple then both surnames will be the same! The birth reg will be found indexed under the parents surname, if they were married, under the mother's surname if there was no father recorded and under both surnames if the dad is on the cert and his surname differs from that of the child's mother. Hope that helps a bit?? Sarah

That is interesting Bow Not a problem going off the topic Gwyneth I have sent for Stanley Allen 1908 If that is a blank will follow the Sarah lead and try for the 1905 Kendrick certificate Crista thanks for your email, much appreciate all you are doing. Bow Bells - found my Smiths in Chelsea. An intersting tip about just a forename on the certificate and no father or mothe?. I have not heard of that before but am a novice, so nothing surprises me! JA

Hi Bow By then, as now, he would have to have been present at the registration for his name to be included. Perhaps he was busy that day? lol. ( Sorry J.A. for going off-subject )

Hi Gwynn Mabels Dad was not mentioned on her birth certificate, even though her mum married him a year later!! Love Bow

Bow I don't think any birth certificates actually state the child's surname, do they? It's usually assumed, - by seeing the father's name, in my experience.

My aunt was born in 1899 out of wedlock, she was not given a surname!! her birth certificate just had Mabel Bow

Crista sorry I missed you the other day. Looking forward to hearing from you JA

Thanks Gwyneth, will have a look at it and get back to you JA

Just noticed that there is a One Name Study of 'KENDRICK'. Details of how to contact the researcher are on the Guild of One Name Studies site. Perhaps they can help with this.

Hi Crista It would be fine to post reply on here. I hope you had a good Sunday and that the week brings good things! JA 00xx

Hi JA, Got your message but am unable to reply until Genes fix this ongoing problem. Is it okay if I post any findings on this thread? Crista

Sarah bless you for looking, and yes bother...nothing seems to fit. I need to ask my mother again when she thought he died. She sent me a photograph found in her Aunt's house when she died at 90 of a young boy around 10 but I wonder is she mixing this up with her cousin Gordon who died around that age. I will try to get more info. Crista found Kendricks. I also found a Kendrick on FBMD born march 1907 Warrington. It looks as if I will have to get a number of certificates to see if I can find a link Once more I do so appreciate you looking...GR people like you Crista and Gwyneth are so nice and helpful I should check the kendrick birth and death in the same quarter? JA

You said the child (whatever name he was reg as at birth) might well have been brought up as ''Stanley Kendrick'' and died as a child. I searched on Family Relatives between 1905 and 1920 (their records are complete for those years) for a death of Stanley Kendrick. Surprisingly, there was only one death recorded. It's the boy who was born DecQ 1905 and mentioned by Gwyneth earlier. He died the same quarter, so maybe that isn't him?? Here's the death reg: Kendrick Stanley aged 0 Macclesfield.8a 82 Death Q4 1905 So, if your Stanley died before 1920 (I can't search after this date) then he doesn't seem to have died with the name Kendrick. This suggests he must have been using the name Allen (and probably was therefore registered with the same name when he was born, too). I did a search for Stanley Allen's who died 1905-1920 in Staffs and the surrounding counties: There were three: Allen Stanley H aged 1 Birmingham.6d 161 Death Q3 1920 Allen Stanley aged 0 Birmingham.6d 11 Death Q1 1910 Allen Stanley J aged 18 Gloucester.6a 286 Death Q3 1920 Nothing obvious, is there!! Oh, BOTHER!! Sarah

Crista you are an absolute gem finding this. My great grandmothers father was George Kendrick. Their mother did marry again according to my mother's notes to a Campion so it looks as if you have found them. This is really helpful I have looked at FBMD for Stanley Kendricks and Stanley Allens There is one Allen born in Chesterfield in 1908 and a Kendrick in Warrington in March 1907 I may have to send off fro a few certificates. Thank you again for finding George William Allen - someone else to add to my tree and maybe I will find Stanley for my 88 year old mother - I think he was her half brother. Many thanks again for your generousity JA

Hi JA, It's now 8:46 PM here. Bill Kendrick was still in Uttoxeter in 1901. He was a bricklayer's labourer. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Ellen Campion abt 1848 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Wife Uttoxeter Staffordshire Joseph Campion abt 1835 Kingstone, Staffordshire, England Head Uttoxeter Staffordshire John Kendrick abt 1880 Redware, Staffordshire, England Stepson Uttoxeter Staffordshire William Kendrick abt 1877 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Stepson Uttoxeter Staffordshire His mother had remarried. I think he was actually George William Kendrick and there is a marriage in 1903 for a George William in Ashbourne to either a Lily Wilson or an Elizabeth Harrison. I'd take a guess and say it was Lily because there's a birth for an Elsie Lily Kendrick in 1905. Crista

Crista and Gwyneth thank you. Crista that looks like the family. The mother was Annie Elizabeth married Frederick Allen 27 December 1892, teh eldest child was Elizabeth so it looks like you have found them Gwyneth, she would only have just been thirteen in December 1905 but it could be it. My mtoher knows nothing other than I have posted. She thought he might have died around the age of 8 or 9 but he memory gets a little mixed at times. Where was Stanley born? Thanks again. This is like looking for a needle in a haystack! SImilar to my Smith family! Gwyneth should you not be in bed. Crista what time in the US? A cold Sunday here and it is 11.11 am Cheers JA JA

The birth could have been registered miles away from Elizabeth's home area, to maintain secrecy. There is a Stanley KENDRICK birth on freebmd, Dec Q. 1905. Is this too early? Can you find out more about his death, and what age, and work backwards to his birth?

JA, Elizabeth was born in the 2nd half of 1893 so don't forget to check 1912 too. Births Sep 1893 Allen Elizabeth May Uttoxeter 6b 366 1901: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Annie E Allen abt 1875 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Wife Uttoxeter Staffordshire Elizabeth M Allen abt 1894 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Daughter Uttoxeter Staffordshire Florence B Allen abt 1900 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Daughter Uttoxeter Staffordshire Frederick Allen abt 1872 Leek, Staffordshire, England Head Uttoxeter Staffordshire Gladys Allen abt 1895 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Daughter Uttoxeter Staffordshire Crista

Thank you for your help. She was young we think, between 13 and 18 which gives me five years of searching. The child was Stanley. My mother thinks he died young She was Elizabieth Allen. Her mother's brother was Bill Kendrick and my mother thinks they looked after the child. They came from Uttoxeter. My mother seems to think Bill Kendrick was a lodge keeper at Ashbourne and that Elizabeth May Allen was in service at Chatsworth House Estate and maybe 'Eastbourne'? Elizabeth May was born in 1893 I think in Uttoxeter. I have fossicked around but cannot seem to locate a Stanley Allen or Kendrick born between 1906 and 1911. Cheers JA