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Is there any way to find the piece and page number for Hill Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool? I am looking for Richard Miller and his family, wife Mary Ann and daughter Margaret. So far I have been unable to find them on the 1861. I have their address in 1857 as Hill Street, and in 1862 they were living at 3 Court - Hill Street, Toxteth Park. They are not listed by the name Miller. Deb

Hi Deb, When you say they are not listed by the name Miller, do you mean you can not find them?? or you suspect they are using another surname?? What are their DOB's ??? and where were they all born??? Lib

Hi Lib - I can't find them under the name Miller. I have tried every variation that I can think of! The family should be: Richard Miller born c1836 Born ? Mary Ann Miller (nee Mulloy) born c 1836 Born Liverpool Margaret Ann Miller born c 1858 Born Liverpool Richard was a Shipwright. Deb

I will see If I can find them! Lib

Thanks, much appreciated. Deb

Richard was still around in 1869 when his son Richard was born, as was Mary Ann. They had 5 children in all spanning from 1858 to 1869. Richard married Mary Ann Mulloy July 26th 1857!!! I received the certificate today - Coincidence or what!!! Thanks for your time and effort. I'll keep plugging away! Deb

Deb I still cannot find them, if you've had no better luck by tomorrow, I will have another go when Im less tired! good night Lib

Lib, I have been searching for them since the 1861 was released! If I could just find the page number i'll be set.

Deb if its any help, Richard of Perth gave this advice on another thread. the 1837online version of the 1861 census is searchable by address. In this case, it's probably worthwhile spending a credit or two on that site - once you've found the piece/folio number for part of the street, you could then locate it on Ancestry and use the back/forward buttons on there to check the rest of the piece.

Thanks for the tip! I'll have to wait, as I have just bought several certificates. My next expense maybe. Thanks again. Deb

Toxteth- Hill Street 1861 RG9/ 2698 Folio 64 p 12,13 it was district 7 North Toxteth only some of the street is shown.Maybe othe parts of it is in one of the surrounding districts If you find any toxteth address, look at the top of the census page and see Lancashire> Toxteth Park> District+number If you press on the Toxteth this will bring up the list of districts and I'm afraid there are about 54 odd districts to look thro

Katarzyna - YOU ARE A GEM!! Off to have a look now, I'll keep you posted. THANKS A MILLION, Much appreciated, Deb

I see what you mean, only two pages for Hill Street. The rest are Upper Hill Street. I'm wondering if the two pages are actually Upper Hill Street. I'll have to give up on it tonight and continue the trawl tomorrow. At least I'm in the right area! Deb

Deb You can do a street search on 1837online for free - true you need credits to look at the images (and therefore to get the names) but at least the free search tells you whether the street exists and what house numbers are on there. I did a free search for Hill Street (residential place = ''West Derby'') and two came up: one in North Toxteth ward and one in Everton ward. I presume that it's the North Toxteth one that you're looking for. From the house numbers listed, numbers 1-12 seem to be there, but from 13 onwards, there are only odd numbers (13 to 107). Of course, maybe there were no houses on the even side of the street from no. 12 onwards, but equally possibly it might indicate that part of the street is missing? The search results also show the schedule numbers. These seem to jump around a lot for this street, which suggests that it was enumerated in several parts, and therefore could be scattered across several folios? Richard

Deb Found the even numbers for Hill Street - they start at RG9/2700/58/42. Haven't found the odd numbers yet! The even numbers do all seem to be there, not sure why they don't show up on a 1837online search.

Have found this re to Hill st Dwelling: 49 Hill St Census Place: Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341870 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3634 Folio 109 Hope this helps Durr, wrong census, sorry BUT at least from this we get the District no which is 6 Katazyna

There's another Hill Street, in Lime Street ward, Liverpool. On that, number 3 is called ''3 Court or Johnstons'', which seems to have been a block of flats or something - covers several pages. I can't see your family there though: RG9/2690/62/34

Hi Deb I think some of the pages are missing, as i cant find my rellies in 61 in the toxteth area either . Best of luck Julie

HILL ST is in district 6 for Toxteth 1861 At the moment all I get is Error for image, As I said before, go to 1861, pick anyone from 1961, Lancashire, Toxteth Park. Bring up their image. Look at the top Lancashire>Toxford Park> District is shown Click on Toxteth Park. This will bring up all the districts. Click on District 6 Have e-mailed Ancestry with error, hoping they can let us know if these records exist or just a problem with viewer. Could be a long wait :(